The Blowout Comb Thread

henryo · Aug 25, 2013

sitruc said: ↑

That was in the N&A thread. I think this was the fourth and the first where the team in Jersey wasn't involved.
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Mind provide the exact link?

While still checking on the past records, 3 Blowout Combs (so far, unless Seattle-Portland serves up 1 more) in the same weekend may well be a new record...

sitruc · Aug 25, 2013

henryo said: ↑

Mind provide the exact link?

While still checking on the past records, 3 Blowout Combs (so far, unless Seattle-Portland serves up 1 more) in the same weekend may well be a new record...
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ManiacalClown said: ↑

COLUMBUS CREW 0 - 4 METROSTARS (6/30/96)
SAN JOSE CLASH 4 - 0 TAMPA BAY MUTINY (6/30/96)

D.C. UNITED 6 - 2 METROSTARS (7/3/04)
KANSAS CITY WIZARDS 5 - 1 DALLAS BURN (7/3/04)

SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES 4 - 0 RED BULL NEW YORK (5/8/10)
SEATTLE SOUNDERS FC 0 - 4 LOS ANGELES GALAXY (5/8/10)

I have not yet updated for last season. Anyone remember if there were two in a day last year?
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henryo · Aug 25, 2013

sitruc said: ↑

More than 1 Blowout Combs in a Day:
COLUMBUS CREW 0 - 4 METROSTARS (6/30/96)
SAN JOSE CLASH 4 - 0 TAMPA BAY MUTINY (6/30/96)

D.C. UNITED 6 - 2 METROSTARS (7/3/04)
KANSAS CITY WIZARDS 5 - 1 DALLAS BURN (7/3/04)

SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES 4 - 0 RED BULL NEW YORK (5/8/10)
SEATTLE SOUNDERS FC 0 - 4 LOS ANGELES GALAXY (5/8/10)
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Thanks much for the info.

In this case, 3 Combs in 1 Weekend should indeed be a new record.

So far, the closest match was in 2010, where 3 Combs happened within the same week:

NEW ENGLAND REOLUTION 0 - 4 CHIVAS USA (5/5/10)
SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES 4 - 0 RED BULL NEW YORK (5/8/10)
SEATTLE SOUNDERS FC 0 - 4 LOS ANGELES GALAXY (5/8/10)

profiled · Aug 26, 2013

henryo said: ↑

SEATTLE SOUNDERS FC 0 - 4 LOS ANGELES GALAXY (5/8/10)
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I believe this is the world famous Refund Game.

henryo · Aug 26, 2013

profiled said: ↑

I believe this is the world famous Refund Game.
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Yes it was... http://www.soundersfc.com/news/articles/2010/05-may/sounders-to-issue-refund.aspx

henryo · Aug 26, 2013

Eighth Update of 2013:
henryo said: ↑
The Aug-24/25 weekend was well worth the long wait for Blowout Combs since July-13:
A new record was set, for the most number of Blowout Combs (3) within the same weekend:

2013-08-24 Montreal Impact - Houston Dynamo 5 - 0
2013-08-24 Real Salt Lake - Columbus Crew 4 - 0
2013-08-25 New England Revolution - Philadelphia Union 5 - 1

The only other time 3 Blowout Combs have happened within the same week was back in 2010:
https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/the-blowout-comb-thread.1922805/page-5#post-28528992

2010-05-05 New England Revolution - CD Chivas USA 0 - 4
2010-05-08 San Jose Earthquakes - New York Red Bulls 4 - 0
2010-05-08 Seattle Sounders FC - Los Angeles Galaxy 0 - 4

It was also the only 4th time in MLS History more than 1 Blowout Combs has happened on the same match day:
https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/the-blowout-comb-thread.1922805/page-5#post-28528225

Summary of Comb Counts/% for the Current Season:

Season Combs Games % Remarks

2013 10 239 4.184 *** Through Aug-25

To surpass the % record set in 2001, 17 more Blowout Combs (for 27 Combs in total) are needed for the remainder of the season (323-239=84 Games in total).

Quite unlikely that this will materialize (given that the most # of Combs in a season was 13, set in 2001 as well), though we'll never know...

The 2013 "Comb Standings" so far:
Code:
Rank SS#    Team    CF  CA  CD
01    12    N.E.    2    0    +2 [Jun-2: 5-0 L.A., Aug-25: 5-1 Phily]
02    03    L.A.    2    1    +1 [Mar-3: 4-0 Chicago, May-26: 4-0 Seattle, Jun-2: 0-5 N.E.]
03    01    RSL.    1    0    +1 [Aug-24: 4-0 Columbus]
04    04    N.Y.    1    0    +1 [Jul-13: 4-0 Montreal]
05    05    K.C.    1    0    +1 [May-5: 4-0 Chivas]
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06    02    MTL.    1    1    +0 [Jul-13: 0-4 N.Y., Aug-24: 5-0 Houston]
07    09    SEA.    1    1    +0 [May-11: 4-0 S.J., May-26: 0-4 L.A.]
08    13    HOU.    1    1    +0 [May-8: 4-0 D.C., Aug-24: 0-5 Montreal]
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09    06    COL.    0    0    0
10    07    PTL.    0    0    0
11    10    DAL.    0    0    0
12    11    VAN.    0    0    0
13    18    TOR.    0    0    0
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14    08    PHI.    0    1    -1 [Aug-25: 1-5 N.E.]
15    14    CHI.    0    1    -1 [May-5: 0-4 K.C.]
16    15    S.J.    0    1    -1 [May-11: 0-4 Seattle]
17    16    CLB.    0    1    -1 [Aug-24: 0-4 RSL]
18    17    CHV.    0    1    -1 [Mar-3: 0-4 L.A.]
19    19    D.C.    0    1    -1 [May-8: 0-4 Houston]
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henryo · Sep 12, 2013

Ninth Update of 2013:
henryo said: ↑
Ninth Update of 2013:

Portland and TFC have finally made it to the chart of Blowout Combs in 2013:

2013-09-08 Portland Timbers - Toronto FC 4 - 0

Summary of Comb Counts/% for the Current Season:

Season Combs Games % Remarks

2013 11 260 (out of 323) 4.231 *** Through Sep-11

Now, only 2 more combs are needed, to break the record for the most # of Blowout Combs in a season (13, set in 2001)...

However, to surpass the % record set in 2001 (13/158=8.228%), 16 more Blowout Combs (for 27 Combs in total) are needed for the remainder of the season (323-260=63 Games in total). It's almost impossible that this will materialize...

The 2013 "Comb Standings" so far:
Code:
Rank SS#    Team    CF   CA  CD
01    12    N.E.    2    0    +2 [Jun-02: 5-0 L.A., Aug-25: 5-1 PHI.]
02    06    L.A.    2    1    +1 [Mar-03: 4-0 CHI., May-26: 4-0 SEA., Jun-02: 0-5 N.E.]
03    01    RSL.    1    0    +1 [Aug-24: 4-0 CLB.]
04    04    N.Y.    1    0    +1 [Jul-13: 4-0 MTL.]
05    05    K.C.    1    0    +1 [May-05: 4-0 CHV.]
10    07    POR.    1    0    +1 [Sep-08: 4-0 TOR.]
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06    02    SEA.    1    1    +0 [May-11: 4-0 S.J., May-26: 0-4 L.A.]
07    03    MTL.    1    1    +0 [Jul-13: 0-4 N.Y., Aug-24: 5-0 HOU.]
08    13    HOU.    1    1    +0 [May-08: 4-0 D.C., Aug-24: 0-5 MTL.]
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09    08    COL.    0    0    0
11    09    DAL.    0    0    0
12    11    VAN.    0    0    0
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14    10    PHI.    0    1    -1 [Aug-25: 1-5 N.E.]
15    14    S.J.    0    1    -1 [May-11: 0-4 SEA.]
16    15    CHI.    0    1    -1 [May-05: 0-4 K.C.]
17    16    CLB.    0    1    -1 [Aug-24: 0-4 RSL.]
18    17    CHV.    0    1    -1 [Mar-03: 0-4 L.A.]
13    18    TOR.    0    1    -1 [Sep-08: 0-4 POR.]
19    19    D.C.    0    1    -1 [May-08: 0-4 HOU.]
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henryo · Sep 22, 2013

Tenth Update of 2013:
henryo said: ↑
Chivas USA became the first team in 2013 to suffer 2 Blowout Combs:

2013-09-21 Houston Dynamo - Chivas USA 5 - 1

Summary of Comb Counts/% for the Current Season:

Season Combs Games % Remarks

2013 12 277 (out of 323) 4.332 *** Through Sep-21

Now, only 1 more combs are needed, to break the record for the most # of Blowout Combs in a season (13, set in 2001)...

However, to surpass the % record set in 2001 (13/158=8.228%), 15 more Blowout Combs (for 27 Combs in total) are needed for the remainder of the season (323-277=46 Games in total). It's almost impossible that this will materialize...

The 2013 "Comb Standings" so far:
Code:
Rank SS#    Team    CF   CA  CD
01    12    N.E.    2    0    +2 [Jun-02: 5-0 L.A., Aug-25: 5-1 PHI.]
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02    06    L.A.    2    1    +1 [Mar-03: 4-0 CHI., May-26: 4-0 SEA., Jun-02: 0-5 N.E.]
03    09    HOU.    2    1    +1 [May-08: 4-0 D.C., Aug-24: 0-5 MTL., Sep-21: 5-1 CHV.]
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04    02    RSL.    1    0    +1 [Aug-24: 4-0 CLB.]
05    03    N.Y.    1    0    +1 [Jul-13: 4-0 MTL.]
06    04    K.C.    1    0    +1 [May-05: 4-0 CHV.]
07    05    POR.    1    0    +1 [Sep-08: 4-0 TOR.]
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08    01    SEA.    1    1    +0 [May-11: 4-0 S.J., May-26: 0-4 L.A.]
09    07    MTL.    1    1    +0 [Jul-13: 0-4 N.Y., Aug-24: 5-0 HOU.]
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10    08    COL.    0    0    0
11    13    DAL.    0    0    0
12    10    VAN.    0    0    0
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13    15    PHI.    0    1    -1 [Aug-25: 1-5 N.E.]
14    11    S.J.    0    1    -1 [May-11: 0-4 SEA.]
15    14    CHI.    0    1    -1 [May-05: 0-4 K.C.]
16    16    CLB.    0    1    -1 [Aug-24: 0-4 RSL.]
17    18    TOR.    0    1    -1 [Sep-08: 0-4 POR.]
18    19    D.C.    0    1    -1 [May-08: 0-4 HOU.]
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19    17    CHV.    0    2    -2 [Mar-03: 0-4 L.A., Sep-21: 1-5 HOU.]
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redinthemorning · Sep 24, 2013

Still weird for me to see Houston with a 1 in the "CA" column.

henryo · Sep 26, 2013

redinthemorning said: ↑

Still weird for me to see Houston with a 1 in the "CA" column.
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Houston are in fact holding the record for the "Longest Uncombed Streaks for a Team since its Inception":

Houston: 7+ seasons (243 Games: 2006-04-02 to 2013-08-17)

This is, in fact, much longer than the previous record holder, L.A., both in terms of the count of seasons and games:

henryo said: ↑

Also, on this note, the other remarkable "Uncombed" streaks:

L.A.:

Streak #1: 6+ seasons (197 Games too: 1996-04-13 to 2002-06-08: lost to N.Y. 0-5 on 2002-06-15)

Streak #2: ~4 seasons (113 Games: 2002-06-22 to 2006-04-29: lost to N.E. 0-4 on 2006-05-06)

It's just 1 "Comb Against" in their first 10 seasons (coupled with the 14 "Comb For" over the same period), simply impressive!!!

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Through Sep-22, 2013, the longest on-going Comb-less Streak still belongs to Colorado:

Colorado: 234 (through 2012) + 30 (games in 2013) = 264 games (2004-09-25 to 2013-09-22, almost 10 seasons!!!)

JasonMa · Sep 26, 2013

What's the longest all-time Comb-less streak?

crazypete13 · Sep 26, 2013

crazypete13 said: ↑

Also - does anyone have a longer combless streak than TFC*?

*currently 2178 days and counting
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henryo said: ↑

Yes, the longest run without dishing out a Comb should be held by TFC now, with reference to the "All-Time" Standings through Oct-7, 2012 (to be updated through 2012 season soon...) as below.

TFC last dished out a Comb in 2007: 2007-06-17 MLS FC Dallas (H) 4 - 0
http://aragon.ws/soccerdb/team/stat...t=0&teamLeagueId=21&year=0&matches=0&result=0
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JasonMa said: ↑

What's the longest all-time Comb-less streak?
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2293 days and counting. Will be at least 2295 - though there is hope for Saturday.

JasonMa · Sep 26, 2013

crazypete13 said: ↑

2293 days and counting. Will be at least 2295 - though there is hope for Saturday.
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I meant what was the longest streak without being combed, not dishing out a comb.

crazypete13 · Sep 26, 2013

Then I will defer to other archivists

henryo · Oct 1, 2013

JasonMa said: ↑

I meant what was the longest streak without being combed, not dishing out a comb.
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You already have it, that would be the on-going streak by Colorado!!

henryo said: ↑

Through Sep-22, 2013, the longest on-going Comb-less Streak still belongs to Colorado:

Colorado: 234 (through 2012) + 30 (games in 2013) = 264 games (2004-09-25 to 2013-09-22, almost 10 seasons!!!)

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henryo · Oct 7, 2013

The record for the most # of Blowout Combs in a season (13, set in 2001) is now broken (14 through Oct-7) in 2013!!
henryo said: ↑
Eleventh Update of 2013:

Chivas USA became the first team in 2013 to suffer 3 Blowout Combs:

2013-10-07 Los Angeles Galaxy - CD Chivas USA 5 - 0

Both Chivas USA & SS-chasing Seattle suffered from "First-Half-Comb" (i.e. 4 goals down by HT) this week. Seattle actually had their 2nd "First-Half-Comb" after May-26 (down 0-4 to L.A. by HT).

2013-10-05 Colorado Rapids - Seattle Sounders FC 5 - 1

Summary of Comb Counts/% for the Current Season:

Season Combs Games % Remarks

2013 14 296 (out of 323) 4.730 *** Through Oct-7

The record for the most # of Blowout Combs in a season (13, set in 2001) is now broken!!

However, to surpass the % record set in 2001 (13/158=8.228%), 13 more Blowout Combs (for 27 Combs in total) are still needed for the remainder of the season (323-296=27 Games in total).

This would be almost 1 Blowout Comb in every 2 Games, which is almost impossible to materialize...

The 2013 "Comb Standings" so far:
Code:
Rank SS#    Team    CF   CA  CD
01    06    L.A.    3    1    +1 [Mar-03: 4-0 CHI., May-26: 4-0 SEA., Jun-02: 0-5 N.E., Oct-06: 5-0 CHV.]
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02    13    N.E.    2    0    +2 [Jun-02: 5-0 L.A., Aug-25: 5-1 PHI.]
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03    08    HOU.    2    1    +1 [May-08: 4-0 D.C., Aug-24: 0-5 MTL., Sep-21: 5-1 CHV.]
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04    01    N.Y.    1    0    +1 [Jul-13: 4-0 MTL.]
05    02    RSL.    1    0    +1 [Aug-24: 4-0 CLB.]
06    03    K.C.    1    0    +1 [May-05: 4-0 CHV.]
07    05    POR.    1    0    +1 [Sep-08: 4-0 TOR.]
08    07    COL.    1    0    +1 [Oct-05: 5-1 SEA.]
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09    09    MTL.    1    1    +0 [Jul-13: 0-4 N.Y., Aug-24: 5-0 HOU.]
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10    14    VAN.    0    0    0
11    15    DAL.    0    0    0
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12    04    SEA.    1    2    -1 [May-11: 4-0 S.J., May-26: 0-4 L.A., Oct-05: 1-5 COL.]
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13    10    PHI.    0    1    -1 [Aug-25: 1-5 N.E.]
14    11    S.J.    0    1    -1 [May-11: 0-4 SEA.]
15    12    CHI.    0    1    -1 [May-05: 0-4 K.C.]
16    16    CLB.    0    1    -1 [Aug-24: 0-4 RSL.]
17    18    TOR.    0    1    -1 [Sep-08: 0-4 POR.]
18    19    D.C.    0    1    -1 [May-08: 0-4 HOU.]
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19    17    CHV.    0    3    -3 [Mar-03: 0-4 L.A., Sep-21: 1-5 HOU., Oct-06: 0-5 L.A.]
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profiled · Oct 7, 2013

@henryo La's CD should be +2

Hachiko · Oct 7, 2013

Fewer games were played in 2001, thus rendering that percentage record impossible to exceed unless parity is nonexistent in MLS.

henryo · Oct 7, 2013

profiled said: ↑

@henryo La's CD should be +2
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Ah, somebody is reading, good catch!! My bad...

Will rectify accordingly in the next update, unless the Mods don't mind lending a hand...

crazypete13 · Oct 8, 2013

Hachiko said: ↑

Fewer games were played in 2001, thus rendering that percentage record impossible to exceed unless parity is nonexistent in MLS.
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I dunno, I would ascribe parity to overall records of teams, and less to individual scorelines in games.

Seems to me that we could have a lot of combs dished - but low absolute CD numbers and still have parity across the league. YMMV

Hachiko · Oct 8, 2013

crazypete13 said: ↑

I dunno, I would ascribe parity to overall records of teams, and less to individual scorelines in games.

Seems to me that we could have a lot of combs dished - but low absolute CD numbers and still have parity across the league. YMMV
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Good points.

henryo · Oct 8, 2013

crazypete13 said: ↑

I dunno, I would ascribe parity to overall records of teams, and less to individual scorelines in games.

Seems to me that we could have a lot of combs dished - but low absolute CD numbers and still have parity across the league. YMMV
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Another perspective of parity can be illustrated through the All-Time Table:
http://aragon.ws/soccerdb/league/table_sum.php?stageId=1547

After almost 18 long seasons (through Oct-7, 2013), the points difference among the original 10 teams (sans L.A.) is still just slightly more than 100 points (CLB=796; & S.J. = 688, despite playing 2 fewer seasons), which translates to about less than 5 points per season.

terrier · Oct 9, 2013

henryo said: ↑

Another perspective of parity can be illustrated through the All-Time Table:
http://aragon.ws/soccerdb/league/table_sum.php?stageId=1547

After almost 18 long seasons (through Oct-7, 2013), the points difference among the original 10 teams (sans L.A.) is still just slightly more than 100 points (CLB=796; & S.J. = 688, despite playing 2 fewer seasons), which translates to about less than 5 points per season.
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crazypete13 · Oct 9, 2013

henryo said: ↑

Another perspective of parity can be illustrated through the All-Time Table:
http://aragon.ws/soccerdb/league/table_sum.php?stageId=1547

After almost 18 long seasons (through Oct-7, 2013), the points difference among the original 10 teams (sans L.A.) is still just slightly more than 100 points (CLB=796; & S.J. = 688, despite playing 2 fewer seasons), which translates to about less than 5 points per season.
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Or more simply - parity doesn't mean lots of draws - which are the antithesis of this thread.

profiled · Oct 9, 2013

DC United used to be way out in front in points, but have now dropped to fourth about to be passed by FC Dallas, with Chicago with 2 fewer seasons under their belts coming up quick.