This is a lie and you know it. You have bitched about every single thing regarding Frank Klopas, professional and personal, for five years or more. You have cast aspersions on his education, intelligence, abilities, everything except (perhaps) his hair. If that is not hatred, what is? I'm no polesmoker of anyone. I am a fan, yes, but I criticize Klopas when appropriate.
Wait, didn't you post the following? So, I gave you every opportunity to defend Javier, khosla, Lobring, Petrei, and Carmona. Feel free, since you claim it would be "franchise ending" to fire these geniuses.
Bullshyte. He was underqualified when he was hired, and you know it. He has been sub-par, yet he keeps his job, and you know it. You can "hate"pvssies who kill in the name of religion, like the asshats in Nairobi, if you like. But Klopas? Not at all. If you care to search my posts, I even argued with Peter Wilt about Klopas as a Hall of Fame player in the Ask Peter Wilt thread. But I hate the fact that he keeps his job, despite his failures. Perhaps your fandom goes further than you realize. Klopas hasn't gotten the job done, and neither have many others in this organization. That isn't "hate," that's a simple fact of life, whether we like it or not.
He said it would be "franchise ending" to clean house. So, I specifically asked him to defend those specific employees in the FO. He can piss and whine all he wants, but he said it would be "franchise ending," and I say it would be "franchise SAVING" to fire those clowns.
You liar. I said: "Clearing house like you say would be a franchise ending disaster in Chicago." AEG fired Wilt, replaced him with Guppy and then sold the team. What you're advocating for is analogous. Firing what history we have left and then replacing leadership so it's too late to salvage our traditions and history. If you want to cut all ties to the past, ******** you.
EDIT: This is utter bullshyte. What I advocate is to get rid of shyte FO personnel, and replacing them with good ones. There's one down in Indy, and there's one in Salt Lake City that would be infinitely better than the clown college the current FO is made of. I advocate picking one, and letting either guy get to work to fix this fvkcing team. Firing Wilt was bad enough, but hiring a dumb turd like Guppy was even worse. They went from good people to bad, dumb people. I advocate a return to good, smart people in the FO. Fine. Defend keeping Javier, Khosla, Petrei, Lobring, and Carmona. Firing these clowns, and the entire coaching staff would be a good start,IMO. Do you advocate keeping these clowns? If so, defend your view.
What you're not smart enough to understand is that your place of ignorance means you're not qualified to judge what FO staff should stay or go. You're not smart enough to know what you don't know. Hence my advocating for hiring a President, or at least a Technical Director, to make that call from inside the organization. You're stupid enough to think you're informed and smart. You're the most dangerous form of ignoramus. Combine your ignorance with your stupidity and propaganda and you're closing in on troll territory. ******** you for lying about what I've said here.
Fine. You want to keep Javier, Khosla, Petrei, Lobring, and Carmona. I want all of those guys gone, plus the coaching staff. Hire a President, and let that person replace: Khosla, Petrei, Lobring, Carmona, and the coaching staff. See? You can disagree without attacking people.
Look, I haven't attacked you, and I'm not "trolling" you. I [nicely] asked you to defend keeping Javier, Khosla, Petrei, Lobring, and Carmona. I'm happy that Carmona is gone. Your attacks aside, I think I understand you now: You want to do it all "piecemeal." Keep some of the shyteheads around [Javier, Khosla, Petrei, Lobring and the coaching and scouting staffs], and then wish and hope that one measly change in the FO will work miracles. I, OTOH, advocate a sea-change, as this club has struggled to do anything right of late. By doing so, perhaps there will be a change the entire culture of the FO to one of excellence, commitment, and respect. I don't know how this organization can be turned around without an overhaul. They did it in RSL by overhauling their organization. I believe the FIRE should as well. I also believe that half-measures make for a half-hearted attempt at improvement.
You are intellectually dishonest and when someone points that out to you, you attempt to change the facts to support your claim. The fact of the matter is that, for the better part of half a decade, you have been viciously attacking Frank Klopas, personally and professionally, and spewing venom against him, sometimes warranted, mostly not, and almost never in proportion to the argument at hand. You then level ad hominem attacks at those pointing these things out, which is, once again, intellectual dishonesty. Couple that with your intense, sustained, myopic attack against Justin Mapp (and the linking of Mapp and Klopas, as you have done dozens of times), and it is easy to see why I stated that you hate Frank Klopas. If that is or is not hatred (and, by the way, I do not use that term lightly), is somewhat irrelevant, but it certainly sounds like the appropriate word under the circumstances. If this is not what you would define as hatred, but merely your intense dislike over his hiring and management of the team, I apologize for using that term, as appropriate and reasonable as it appeared under the circumstances. I am done playing and I yield the discussion to you. You may chalk this up as a "win" if you choose; I really don't care.
I found these numbers rather telling: Code: P W L D Win % Bradley 80 43 12 25 53.75 Arena 459 242 128 80 52.72 Sigi 350 157 173 116 44.86 Klopas 76 34 17 25 44.74 Kreis 239 102 77 60 42.68 Yallop 378 150 132 96 39.68 Kinnear 319 129 99 91 40.44 EDIT: I took the numbers from Wikipedia. Bradley's numbers are actually his National Team numbers. I can't find his Fire numbers right now. Sorry about that.
Bradley's numbers updated for his time in MLS: Code: P W L D Win % Arena 459 242 128 80 52.72 Bradley 272 124 94 54 45.59 Sigi 350 157 173 116 44.86 Klopas 76 34 17 25 44.74 Kreis 239 102 77 60 42.68 Yallop 378 150 132 96 39.68 Kinnear 319 129 99 91 40.44 I say we give Frank a stacked team next year and see if he can get us over the hump.
Frank may have a decent / on par winning percentage with those other names but he has a vastly inferior number of games in charge. I'd take every one of those other names in a nanosecond minus Yallop over Frank.
Bradley is no longer active in MLS anyway, so no need to include him. I would like to see him back, but I don't think that that is going to happen in the foreseeable future. If we remove Bradley from the list, Frank doesn't look all that bad, not taking into account his amount of matches which admittedly are so much lower than the others. I think that it comes down to this: What's the worst that could happen? We give his replacement, who is hopefully "better," a stacked team to start with? Win-win as I see it.
Wikipedia's numbers are off/old/inconsistent. Some of these records are for regular season play only, some include playoff/US Open Cup/CONCACAF Competitions. In Frank's case, regular season vs all comps does not make a huge difference, but in other cases it would - the immortal (hah) Dave Sarachan had a 48.38 win percentage in all competitions (deep cup runs!), and 40.44 in the regular season (2004 brings his average way down). The numbers for Frank on Wikipedia have not been updated since July. Frank has been the head coach of the Fire since May 30, 2011. He was in charge for the last 23 regular season MLS games of the 2011 season, 34 games in 2012, and 29 in 2013, for a total of 86 games. The Fire won 8 games under Frank in 2011, 17 in 2012, and 11 to date in 2013 for a total of 36 wins in 86 games. His winning percentage is 41.86% in regular season MLS action as of today. The wiki data for Frank looks like it should only cover regular season play, but if you include Open cup and Playoff games - The Fire won 3 out of 4 US Open Cup games in 2011 with Frank at the helm, 0 out of 1 in 2012, and 3 out of 4 in 2013. They won 0 out of 1 MLS Playoff games. So his record in other competitions is 6 wins out of 10 played. This gives him 42 wins in 96 games for a 43.75% win %. Some of the other numbers on Wikipedia are off as well - for example, Sigi is missing the last 2 years- totals should be Played - 412, Won 187, Lost 126, Drawn 99, Win % 45.39 for the regular season only. Bruce's totals include his time in charge of the Nats and includes other competitions for at least the DC years. The MLS numbers for Bob only include regular season play and count SOW as wins, while other coaches look like they might have them as draws. All that said, what I take as your main point rings true - good coaches need good players in order to win consistently. Bob's WP with the Fire was 54.30% (regular season only, SOW as wins). His WP while with the Metrostars/Chivas was 35.48%. He did not suddenly forget how to coach when he entered New Jersey...
There's the rub, though. How do 'we' 'give' Frank a 'stacked team' with the current FO? I think the roster as it sits was this front office's idea of a stacked team. I mean, they clearly weren't building for years down the road, bringing in two midfielders who are over or around 30 - so that means this is win-now, right? But then they draft a straight-up project - so that means win-later, right? And then Friedrich can't go, so patch-patch-patch ... every decision seems to undermine the supposed context of the previous one. I've seen more thoughtful contingency planning from seven random dudes on a message board sharing a Football Manager save. I mean, if my daughters displayed this little foresight for a school project, I wouldn't be like, "Hey, it's okay, honey, anyone can forget to think." I'd ask them why they didn't make a plan for dealing with the possibility that the German centerback, whose mind control made the entire defense work, might succumb to the very injuries that nearly ended his career before joining us. And I probably wouldn't be entirely smooth and kind about it, honestly. But somehow, when dealing with well-paid executives who are dramatically failing the 'results, ************************' test, we're supposed to be also thinking about how meeeeeean it is to criticize them, and how hurrrrrt their mommies would be if they read the mean, mean words. To steer this impromptu rant back on-topic - Bunge, I agree that your solution would be ideal. But it just cannot happen with Team Not-My-Fault over Klopas. I just wonder, sometimes, if the solution might be for a new manager to get in place and go to war when Javier decides it's time to sign another random who had three good months in the top flight in Uruguay or something.
And we've hit the nail on the head. The absence of a plan gives the impression of chaos. In this instance I don't think that's too far from the truth.
So why can't Frank convince the Andell Absentees to use whatever plan he has? You'd think they'd at least give their own head coach a listen.
I don't know. I think someone needs to be tasked with creating one, just like with the FO. If no one is given the authority or directive to do it we end up with a vacuum. We see that in the FO and technical staff. I want to see a plan from the starting 11 down to the U-11 teams and I don't know that one exists.