Michael Bradley Is This Teams Best MF'er, not J. Jones

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by TabLalas, Sep 7, 2013.

  1. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And there you have it.
    Lol.
    Get a grip.
     
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  2. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Klinsmann had Diskeruud on the bench, if that's what he thought we needed he would have used Mix.
     
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  3. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    You get a grip. I'm on the side of the market place.
     
  4. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    At the club level, Jones benefits from what I call the Huddlestone effect. It's easy to move up in a league where you share the nationality.
     
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  5. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you honestly believe that Jones "is a better baller" than Bradley?
     
  6. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    In a two man set, Kljestan would have been preferable. Klinsmann last used Diskerud in as an a-mid in a three-man midfield.
     
  7. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Think Diskerud and Beckermen would be the preferable choice since Cameron can't go. I also liked Sacha in the 6 when he subbed in for Jones in Bosnia.
     
  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Gooch went to AC Milan. Deuce to Tottenham. If the marketplace thinks your performances in club football in Europe merit a look in, you'll get a look in.

    They played in the same league at one time. Use common sense.
     
  9. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is true.
    He did play well in the Bosnia match.
     
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  10. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First of all, what the hell is "the marketplace"?
    Second, you may be retarded, get to a doctor immedietly. Do not pass go, do not collect 100 dollars, just go.
     
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  11. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Yeah Sacha gets a lot of heat from fans because very often he's been deployed at odd positions (like LW - dont know why JK experimented with that) but when he's played the more reserved role for us he's done solid. He's also off to a fantastic season with Anderlecht and has 3 goals in his past 4 games. I go with Mix and Sacha/Beckermen.
     
  12. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well........that is true, he has been used all over the field but you've gotta do the best that you can wherever you're played and he has had some really rough matches.
    At times he's been an absolute turnover machine, kinda like Jones is right now.
    We all thought he'd be a huge part of the 2009 Confed Cup and 2010 World Cup and some of his performances around that time were horrendous.
    We need him now though so.................
     
  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    OK, man. Thanks for the civilized exchanged. You explained yourself eloquently and are a true reflection of Bradley supporters.
     
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  14. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, we're not done here.
    I REALLY wanna know what "the marketplace" is. I'm fascinated.
    I will seriously not leave my keyboard until I know what "the marketplace" is.
     
  15. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "a true reflection of Bradley supporters"?
    Lol, wtf?
    Are there seriously USMNT supporters out there that are NOT ichael Bradley supporters?
    That is one lonely-a$$ crowd.
     
  16. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jones was poor yesterday. But, he also was not set up to succeed. This isn't being mentioned around these boards as people rip into him. Yes he was too undisciplined with his defensive positioning and yes he had to many hopeless long balls, but Cameron is not the type of mid you can pair him with. It's like pairing Jones with Beckerman, there's always going to be problems.

    If you're going to have Jones the main holding DMid, you need a more creative player in front who can offer as a release and get the ball off his feet quickly(Mix?), not a guy like Cameron who'll sit back and clog passing lanes and doesn't have success in a more advanced position as an outlet/connector, and if you want Jones playing more as an 8, then one, it's going to be tough with a guy like Cameron behind him who struggled with pressure on the ball and cycling the ball behind him but just as if not more importantly, you can't have a slow ass winger like Zusi on his right not creating space or creating passing lanes/options, compacting the attack and you can't do what Jurgen did and line Clint/Landon up so high that if Jones receives and turns they're nowhere near to combine with. Clint/Landon were far too high in the first half last night, while once again our defensive line was too high as well, a whole other topic.

    I know it's popular to bash guys after a poor showing or two and focus on a scapegoat, but our entire plan was thrown off without Mikey and the adjustments to answer that were off from the start. It's not about Mikey vs Jones. Jones has shown he can be very good with Mikey. It was just a few matches ago Jones had his best match in a US shirt. Oh how quickly some forget, although yes, Mikey is obviously the more important player to our NT, more important than anyone. And Jones did play poorly last night, but if you know where Jones excels and understand our player pool, unless he's paired with Mikey or hypothetically Holden, then you need to put more of pure 8 in front of him.

    But last night was a mess. Whether it was Cam or Jones receiving and turning in a more advanced role the options were fewer than any in our 12 games streak. Without Jozy we had no holdup threat. Jones has been great lately turning and playing the ball into Jozy, springing the wings. Without the holdup play, our wings weren't sprung, not that Zusi was even advanced enough and had the speed even if that were the case. And not only did we not have Jozy dropping deeper and holding up, but both Clint and Landon were too high in the first half. Our options centrally weren't there and our RW wasn't stretching CR at all. Combine few options centrally with three of our four guys on the flanks have poor matches and what we had was one huge mess. Jones was a part of it of course, but really needs to be put in context.
     
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  17. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I used 'supporter' as a euphemism.
     
  18. SOCCERMARINE

    SOCCERMARINE Member

    Jun 28, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe he throttled his performance on purpose to avoid a yellow a card? I expect him to step up if he plays on Tuesday.
     
  19. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Jones plus Cameron is an 'All-Star' approach. JK should have gone for function in his selection.
     
  20. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Jones is a good 2nd CM option to have though. His wild side that gets him in trouble in Germany off the field, as well-demonstrated by the posters in his YA thread, is a type of attitude I think is refreshing in a US locker room where we don't see that attitude much. As long as it doesn't boil over into red cards on the field, then I'm okay with it there.
     
  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Dempsey and Zusi are just getting back into form. I would've preferred both off the bench.
     
  22. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These are all fair-points.
    I'd hope that this game is used more by the coaching-staff, than the players, on what NOT to do in-regards to gameplans.
    The troubling thing to me though is that we supposedly have the most depth in this team than at any point in the last 2 or 3 cycles and we lost ONE guy and the whole thing turned to sh!t, by both the players and the coaching staff.
    That ain't good.
    Losing ONE freaking player caused that much chaos? Lol.
    Dempsey did not play well, Zusi continually lost one-on-one matches and coughed up the ball repeatedly, Jones had some of the most head-scratching passes that we've seen, Orozco was played waaaaaay out of position and looked lost half of the time, Beasley somehow managed to be on the wrong side of whoever he was marking or watching damn near the entire night. Gonzalez and Besler looked like MLS lifers.
    To me, the only bright-spot was once again Fabian Johnson who continues to put in a blue-collar effort everytime he takes the field for us and Landon Donovan who tried numerous times to sort out some kind of coherent play from the quagmire.
     
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  23. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, I know how to write a good lede that gets peoples attention *wink* *creepy-like wink*.
     
  24. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    My preferred selection from an Aug 29 post:

    ----------------Alitdore------Donovan
    ----Fabian---------------------------------EJ
    -----------------Bradley
    ----------------------------Cameron
    ---Beasley--------------------------------Evans
    ----------------besler-----gonzalez


    With Bradley out, Kljestan would have been ideal.
    EJ could have taken Altidore's spot with Bedoya filling in on the right.
     
  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    US in Costa Rica has been garbage for a while. It's not a Michael Bradley issue as he was there for the previous blowout.

    Not playing an 8 whether that be Bradley, Diskerud, or Kljestan and then going with out of form players resulted in the team not putting its best foot forward.
     

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