BVB General Transfer Thread III [R]

What part of anything reported in this fiasco made sense to anyone except Bayern and Bayern fans?

Honigstein jumped on this from the beginning without checking to see if the "I-s" were dotted and the "T-s" are crossed.

The f#cking thing is starting to die, he realizes he put his name on this thing and he has come up with every possibility in his mind to keep it going.

Might Bayern come after Lewandowski? Sure. So will about five or six other clubs who can and will pay Lewa what he wants.

Might Bayern already have an agreement with Lewandowski? Guess what? According to Lewandowski's agents, this is nothing new. I've said this since the start of this crap.

Lewandowski's agents told everyone they had an agreement with Bayern over a year ago. We discussed this very subject right here. So what's "new" about anything? The only thing they reported that might have made this "new and intriguing" is that supposedly "Pep wants Lewandowski." Well now, after jumping on that bandwagon, he (Honigstein) pretty much admits this was bullshit. But now, he has to find a way to keep it going or be exposed for the crappy "journalist" he is.

BTW, the "long forgotten connection to Toni Kroos" Honigstein refers to in this article? It was deliberate bullshit started by the BVB fansite Schwatzgelb.de. We were having a good laugh about this earlier today at our Facebook group.

To close, once again, Rafael Honigstein is full of f#cking shit. I was once involved in this business. Not big-time, but I know a bullshit artist when I see one. A by-line and working for a big news outlet shouldn't give one "credibility." That's something a person needs to earn.

 

BTW, FR, if you really believe it could be true that Bayern players have lobbied for Lewandowski, you'd better enjoy this super season you guys are having while you can. If there is any way this is true, "FC Hollywood" will be rearing its ugly head sooner rathr than later. If there is any way there is this kind of back-stabbing going on in that locker room, this team won't last long......

 

Some Bayern fans, I would not be surprised to see this coming from. I am surprised you want to believe this thing this badly.

I get it now. I know it would be an awesome get. However, this is one of the very few times, if not the first time, I've seen you throw common sense out the window for hope. It is obvious Honigstein is using Bayern's past to reach for shit. For that scenario to play out, Lewandowski would have to have already pledged his future to Bayern. Not just agreed to personal terms, but pledged his future.

With the bidding war he knows is coming for his services, would it really beehove him to pledge his future to anyone this early??

For me, that's the biggest thing no "journalist" cares to address because they know it trashes all the other theories.

But hey, when the human mind wants to believe......

 

Spot on.

As I said above in a reply to FR, for Bayern to have meant "we're controlling this thing", Robert Lewandowski would have had to pledge his future to Bayern already.

Robert Lewandowski's agents have been very clear since the start of this thing. Lewandowski wants to get paid. Lewandowski deserves to get paid.

Why would he kill the bidding war he knows is coming for his services to pledge his future to a club he's done nothing but beat since he became a starter in Germany??

So much about this doesn't add up to anyone except Bayern fans who want it to happen so badly, they refuse to see common sense.

Or they say they do, but still try to hold on to that one in a million chance this is all true. Even when it all appears to be falling apart before our very eyes.

I do think Bayern is going to make a big attacker signing this summer. However, I don't think it is going to be Robert Lewandowski. I believe it will be Neymar........

 

This, I'm not so sure about. Lewandowski is liked by the fans, but because of his play. He's never been nor will be a fan favorite like his compatriot Kuba. The other players embrace what Borussia Dortmund is all about. For Robert Lewandowski, Borussia Dortmund has always been a stepping-stone. There's nothing wrong with this. Our working partnership has been mutually beneficial. I think Lewandowski really could "spit in the face of Klopp and BVB."

However, I don't think he's decided anything this early. As you said, there will be other, big-named, big-money foreign clubs who are also CL title contenders who will bid for his services. Lewandowski would be stupid not to give them a chance to bid.

 

No, he does not. He's also been linked with Man Shitty to replace Tevez.


BTW, one thing I have to say is I totally respect the words of Bayern management throughout this entire thing. What they're saying makes sense. They are staying back far enough right now, but not saying anything which might preclude them from going after Lewandowski when the time comes.

Throughout all this, I've never said Bayern won't go after Lewandowski. My problem is with those who say all is done already. My problem is with those who make it seem as if agreeing to personal terms makes it a done deal that Lewandowski is going to Bayern. Especially when in this particular situation, it isn't even new news........

 

Agree with all this. However, a coach like Guardiola could be what can turn Neymar from "Robinho" to "Messi."

 

Let me try to possibly clear something up here. I believe when "MatthiasSammer" compares Neymar to Robinho, he possibly means attitude-wise.

I don't think anyone here disagrees that Neymar is the real deal. If I agreed to something which said this, I'm sorry. I do believe Neymar is the real deal.

I also believe Robinho was too.

However, I also believe Robinho is one of the many stars you have to put under the category of always having had the talent, but not drive or motivation to succeed because he thought he was already great. Save for those first couple of seasons at Bremen, Robinho's great friend Diego also fits into this category.

This is why I believe Neymar's next coach could be the key to his success.

This is where I think being with Pep could actually do Neymar a world of good. I would hate competing against him. Sure. But hey, if Bayern wants to do this one and pulls it off, more power to them. It would be more great exposure for the league too.

 

That is the best example of agreeing to personal terms meaning absolutely nothing.

Vidal agreed to personal terms with Bayern, but he did not pledge his future to them.

This is the part Bayern would need to have any chance at forcing Borussia Dortmund into anything. Bayern would need Robert Lewandowski to have pledged his future to them already.

This is my biggest issue with this entire scenario. I really don't see how it would make any sense for Lewandowski to have already pledged his future to Bayern when he and his agents know he's going to be at the very least the third most sought after striker in Europe this summer. There is going to be a bidding war for his services. He knows this. Why would he have pledged his future to anyone already? Not just to Bayern. Why would he have already pledged his future to anyone, including Borussia Dortmund?? It simply just does not add up.

Again, this is the question the "journalists" who write this stuff are avoiding like the plague. Because they know the answer to this question shoots all kinds of holes in their lucrative speculation........

 

Wilshere has never really impressed me as some super talent. Best work I've ever seen from him so far was in a Pepsi commercial......

 

So what? Pele once said Freddy Adu was the best talent he saw since himself.

What did it mean in the long run? Absolutely nothing.

I don't care what the so called "big names in football" say. I don't need other people to do my thinking for me or to tell me what to think. They have their opinions, I have mine. Lothar Mattheaus is a "big name" in German football. If he tells me some kid is going to be a star, I'm going to believe it because Lothar Mattheaus said it??

I don't think so. If you could only sign one kid and Lothar Mattheaus told you one kid would be a star and Ernst Tanner told you another kid would better, whose word would you give more weight to?

Mattheaus' because he's the "bigger name" or Tanner's because he has a better track record of finding young talent???

So what? Markus Brzenska had a couple of good games against Bayern at a very young age. Did that make him a superstar too??

And that game counted for what? Absolutely nothing.

Again, so what man?? Just because he's good at 18, it doesn't mean he's going to ever get any better or be a world star. He had a good game against Barca at 18. Wow, I'm so impressed.......

Just because a player is good at 17 or 18, it does not mean he's somehow definitely going to be a star. Sometimes players are as good as they're ever going to get by that age.

If I had ten cents for every player case in the last 15-20 years who "experts" thought was going to be a "superstar" because of how good said player was at 17 or 18 just to have the player fall far short, I'd be a very rich man right now.

It should tell you something that all you can do right now is mention a handful of games. Talk to me when Jack Wilshere has more of a body of work to discuss.

There have been many guys who never amounted to anything in football who had a few good games against a few big names. Some of them might have even had a very good season or two. But most of them never live up to the hype. The vast majority of them do not.

Again, if I had ten cents for every player who.........

Look. Am I saying Wilshere won't be a star? No, I'm not saying this. I can't. I don't know what he will be. What I am saying is you don't know what he will be either. I'm also saying the things you're pushing here does not a star make. At least not to me.

Maybe I'm just not as easily impressed as you are.

No. Change that, I KNOW I'm not as easily impressed as you are.

Again, talk to me when Wilshere has a better body of work. For me right now, he's just another over-hyped English "potential star." This does not mean he somehow sucks. No way. It only means I'm not as impressed with him as you are.

It also does not mean I hope Wilshere does not make it. On the contrary. I hope he does. I'd love to come back here and say, "Yes, he did it......."

But he isn't there yet and we don't KNOW that he ever will get there.