PBP: 12/13 Copa del Rey Semifinal: Leg 1 | Real Madrid v FC Barcelona | 30 Jan 2013 [R]

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  1. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
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    Your reading is as bad as your assessment.

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    And here?
     
  2. Rattlehead

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    Well, Messi assisted the goal

    Also, can anyone post the moment where Messi beat 3 defenders and one of them had a handball the other committed clear foul? Even the commentator was puzzled and said it's a double foul!
     
  3. Rattlehead

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    Great to see Messi playing one-two with a white shirt
     
  4. celito

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    Feb 28, 2005
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
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    Brazil
    You're crazy ... Iniesta had a good game. As it has been mentioned, it was a 50/50 game and Iniesta had defensive responsibilities. Barca couldn't play their typical game.
     
  5. Rattlehead

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    Nothing wrong with Iniesta.. He only means that Messi is better because his direct contribution on the goal
     
  6. celito

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    I've noticed for a long time Xabi is very sleazy with his fouls. They never look bad enough to get yellows (until he does 4-5 of them). They are typically not on players that are on a break, he always gets you from the back and always hacks away at the ankles with no intention of getting the ball. Another dirty Madrid player.
     
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  7. Bada Bing

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    Jul 13, 2012
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    Argentina
    You're ignorant... Pedro, Sanchez and Villa can all provide constant width, attacking options and defensive help, Iniesta obviously can't.
     
  8. celito

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    Brazil
    Well .. he said Iniesta was a complete flop. Iniesta had a lot of great dribbles in the midfield. He was his typical illusive self. But given the game couldn't come forward as much.
     
  9. celito

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    Did you ever think that it was the plan to play that way ? Alba was providing width on the left. Pedro AND Alves on the right. He was probably told to be more conservative.
     
  10. Bada Bing

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    Argentina
    Iniesta tried to help midfield to get pressure off, when the pressure was caused by him not being able to keep width, by moving to midfield? Now ain't that funny logic to solve the situation.
     
  11. celito

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    I thought the game was 50/50. Quite a few chances on both sides. Not too happy about the lost balls in the last third of our own field. It created 2-3 very dangerous chances for Madrid to score. After we went ahead we had the chances to kill the game. Break after break that we squandered and you just knew it was going to cost us in the end. And Pedro's miss ... :eek: ... man that was a bad one.

    It's interesting that Madrid can look like crap against other teams but have done well against Barca lately. That's proof that Mourinho has studied Barca's game plan very well and knows how to destabilize it. It really looks like his team was built on the basis of neutralizing the Barca system.

    Have to give props to Varane. Had an excellent game on their side. Looks like a solid defender. Saved their asses a few times ... and cleanly.
     
  12. the one and only

    Jul 15, 2011
    No i think Bada's actually saying that Iniesta had a horrible game (whether compared to Messi or anyone else). I don't agree that he was that bad though he didn't have a great match either. Offcourse he dribbled his way out of some tight position as he usually does and gave Alba that wonderful pass in the 1st wise and that was about it for him.
    The player who often lost possession to my big surprise and didn't have a very good game imo was Xavi
    As for Messi, Madrid players marked him very well, but still i don't think he was as silent in the game as many seem to be claiming (especially in the 2nd half).
    Cesc had a very good game imo
     
  13. Rattlehead

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    Its quite obvious that Tito strategy is using the midfield to also do the scoring job, so basically having Alexis or Pedro (both a workhorse) will make the team midfield even more compact. Villa is someone who often push try to push forward from the left, either aiming to shoot or make a short pass from inside the box.

    This season somehow looks like we dont even play with a strikers, they all act like a midfielder.
     
  14. Rattlehead

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    This is true but lets not forget there's at least 4 wrong calls by the ref yesterday, something that Mou would have bitch about for the remaining of 2013 if its happen to his team. Alves, Alba, Fabregas and Pedro missing chances in front goals shows that in another day, we could easily score more than 2 goals against them. Xavi also hit the post early in the game. Yes Madrid built some great chances but so does any team that play against Barca this season.
     
  15. Leon12

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    Jan 5, 2006
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    Look, we got a 1-1 draw away from home, against LPB, not exactly a bad result. Lets keep a sense of perspective. We can't expect all our players to be brilliant in every single game. All I would like to see is for us to start at a high tempo when we play them, as we always seem to be on the back foot for the first 20 minutes or so. It's not rocket science about how they play against us, it's the same way every team tries to play, it's just they have better players to do it more effectively. They press high up the pitch, so Barca players don't get time on the ball and they play a high line to squeeze the game into a narrow area of the pitch. When Messi gets the ball there will be 3/4 players round him. It still doesn't work because he still ends up either scoring against them or creating a goal. But I do think that we need to play them at a higher tempo. We'll win the 2nd leg 3-2.
     
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  16. Rattlehead

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    ^^^ as I mentioned earlier, we should be more rude on the attack but I can understand that given Madrid ability to match our play since last year has made us more cautious against them... you can see on how many times we managed to cut their dangerous throughball to Ronaldo. Ronaldo only had 1-2 chances in the entire game and it's not from counter attack but a from a pass and cross on the right.. appearently we also conceided from a right cross.

    Notice how prepared the team to cover the box and not giving them a chance to shoot straight at Pinto.
     
  17. celito

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    Brazil
    Haven't counted them, but I think the scoring chances were pretty even. Ronaldo and Benzema missed some good chances. Ronaldo's FK could have gone in too and as dangerous as Xavi's. I think we had some more chances and open field after we were up 1 x 0. It opened up the counter for us. Obviously Pedro should have finished the game off. But overall 1 x 1 was the "fair" result from an unbiased view.
     
  18. Rattlehead

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    Their chances wasnt something that well built, most of them came from a pass or a cross to the center, expecting the ball to fall into their players path. Compare it to our chances, Alba, Alves, Cesc and Pedro... its something we could have caps it.
     
  19. BocaFan

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    Aug 18, 2003
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    Meh, not so sure. It just so happened that the 2 times Barca played LPB this season, were the only two times that they were in good form. Four wins in-a-row before the league clasico. How many times have they done that this season?

    Anyway, this tie is still 50/50 IMO. Only one away goal means we'll have to win the second leg, but at home so can't feel too bad about Barca's chances.
     
  20. inswinger

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    May 17, 2001
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    I just remembered Clos Gomez is the ref who ejected Pep from a match at Almeria a couple seasons back, lying about what he had said during the match. (I think he is also the same guy who was spotted after the game at the hotel bar wearing a LPB jersey, and when people recognized him he retreated to his room.)
     
  21. tadm123

    tadm123 Member

    Mar 26, 2008
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    Sporting Cristal Lima

    Yeah I'd agree with you there. He probably should had opened himself up on that play. But still this doesn't outweight all the times he did open up or the positives things he contributed.
    If I could gif I'd find mistakes in everyone to a degree.

    I guess we just agree to disagree, we'll leave it at that. Iniesta was better offensively than Messi to me, which I expected more honestly.
     
  22. inswinger

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    May 17, 2001
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    Bada, you think telling Iniesta to stick to the touchline would've been effective? That's just not how this team plays.

    Iniesta's effective at LW by coming inside to play tight, quick passes with Xavi, Cesc, and Messi. If the opposing RB decides to go with him, it leaves acres of space for Alba to exploit. Our widebacks become killer wingers when they get that room to race forward.

    So yes, Iniesta contributed to the congestion in the middle. But is there anyone better in a tight situation? It was Alba's responsibility to read what's ahead of him and bomb forward or stay back.

    EDIT: SPORT named Iniesta its "Crack of the Match," saying he was the most 'desequilibrante' (destabilizing for the other team) and had the most incisive passes. So there.:p :rolleyes:
     
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  23. celito

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    Sounds like you want to Iniesta to always push wide to the left. In reality that is not how the Barca system works. Iniesta, as you said, was clearly tasked with providing support in the midfield and push left when possible. Barca always have different players who go left and right at different times. In this game sometimes it was Alba, sometimes Fabregas, and sometimes Iniesta. When they play a team they can dominate easily, Iniesta goes to the left more often. Because he is not as needed in the midfield. But against Madrid, who pressure the midfielders well, Iniesta is needed in that position more often as he is one of the best if not the best at breaking away from pressure.
     
  24. BocaFan

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    Aug 18, 2003
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    I dunno, I thought their chances were a bit better TBH. Which Alba "chance" are you talking about? The impossible volley that almost took-out the corner flag? Madrid had half a dozen better chances than that in the first half alone!
     
  25. tadm123

    tadm123 Member

    Mar 26, 2008
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    Sporting Cristal Lima
    This pretty much.

    Assuming that Iniesta didn't see Alba there, he should had taken that spot and opened up but it was ultimately Alba's responsibility to get there and help out.
    Holding Iniesta accountable for that is blaming the wrong person.
     

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