will Wondo be rewarded with DP status he so richly deserves?

If DeRo couldn't get on last year and also this season, I don't think there's much hope for wondo. I hope he gets it.

 

Wondo probably wont get a DP contract until he does something with the national team. DP contracts arent just about on field performance, they are about off the field marketability. Without being a US MNT "name" player, its hard to justify paying him more then the league based salary max.

As for not signing a DP, there is no question we will not go for a 3 million dollar DP without our own stadium. That is in part because its hard to sell that type of free agent on Buck Shaw's facilities, and in part because Buck Shaw limits the team's ability to recover that amount through marketing of the player. You can only squeeze so much revenue out of buck shaw.

 

Its not about national team experience, its about national team marketability. While you can market Wondo to MLS fans, thats really preaching to the choir. What you need from a marketing standpoint on DPs are players who can be marketed to soccer fans with limited MLS exposure. The players they know are A) foreign stars and B) USMNT players.

 

Yeah, off the field marketability, you mean like Geovanni? I don't think USMNT should be a factor. Wondo has outperformed just about every other player in MLS over the last 3-year period, including the best ever USMNT player, and tied the league goal-scoring record last year. Yes, you could probably get away with not giving him a DP contract because he's a nice guy who is not going to make check-writing gestures and throw a fit, and start trialing in Europe. But I would do it because it's the right thing to do. Yes, it's a business, blah, blah. But this is about soul, and soul builds the club, and the business is nothing w/o the club.

I don't think you have to box yourself into the current conditions of the team, i.e. tie yourself to the yearly ledger line. You might sign a $3 million DP in a poor stadium to start building the brand to create momentum for when you do move. It would be an investment in the brand. But OTOH an argument against doing it is that you may want a "big bang" for the stadium opening, so you may want to hold onto your cards.

 

Geovanni was more marketable to non-mls fans then Wondo is. Also keep in mind how long Geo lasted.

Theyve given Wondo raises for multiple years in a row, despite the fact he has years left on his contract. He isnt being maltreated here. The best reascon I can think of giving Wondo a low DP salary is to put him on a DP cap hit, which may be less then his current salary (I think DPs hit the cap at 330k, below the league max). Make Wondo a DP from a fan's perspective is great, but from the team's perspective making a guy whose already locked in for years on a non DP salary, where a large portion of the DP falls directly on the club, isnt something you do because it would be nice.

I think if you are largely self financing a stadium you do. At this point you run the team on the cheap... competitively, but on the cheap, because you dont want to be hemoraghing money right now. When you double your potential ticket sales, and open up luxury box revenues, you really open up the potential of game day revenue. A DP can also help you sign stadium naming rights and corporate sponsorships that are much easier to do when your also not playing at a small college stadium. You can justify the expense of a DP in that environment.. but really only that environment.

And building a brand now is nice, but keep in mind that if you attact attention to the team now amongst soccer but non MLS fans, you are also selling them Buck Shaw. We know the reasons, and we know its temporary, but when you make the first impression with those fans, you want to make it strong. Its better not to try to make that pitch right now when your home ground screams minor league. Better I think to just market to MLS friendly fans, who will understand that Buck Shaw is temporary and love the game anyways.

Buck Shaw is a nice little place to play with a great game day atmosphere, but it really limits what the team can do.

 

Not sure about that. I'd bet that Wondo at this point has as much or more name recognition as Geovanni did for the "average" non-mls fan in the Bay Area. Geovanni didn't last because his performance didn't really justify his status as a DP. Wondo's, however, clearly does.

You gave at least one good reason to make Wondo a DP - you could actually reduce his cap hit. And regarding the "nice" thing, it's not so much about "nice", but about "the right thing to do". The richer the soul, the richer the club. The richer the club, the richer the business surrounding the club. Until recently I believe, Barcelona refused corporate sponsorship. The right thing for the business from an inside-the-box perspective? Heck no. The right thing for the "soul" of the club? Heck yeah, and what a club it is. Same can be said of KC's Livestrong sponsorship, where they have effectively donated the stadium sponsorship to Livestrong (Armstrong's apparent soul-selling in his cycling career not withstanding ).

Again, short term thinking. It doesn't matter if you "hemorrhaging money right now". In a business you have to have multi-year plans, and you often take short-term hits for the long term benefit. This idea that you can't have a DP in a crappy stadium is sort of the commonly accepted notion / truism; it is entirely inside-the-box thinking, and a creative business would just blow right through that if they thought it was the right thing to do.

I'm not so sold on the need to bring in a $3 million DP this year for the Quakes. I just don't think that there's any law of nature or business that somehow precludes it according to the stadium you play in. My preference would be that they give Wondo a DP contract, for all the reasons above, and focus on getting more relatively undervalued guys who turn out to be great players, like Bernardez, Chavez, and Gordon.

And BTW, in terms of team chemistry, I'd be willing to bet that no Quakes player would have the slightest problem with Wondo getting a DP contract. If you bring someone in with a big DP contract, and they turn out to be so-so, it may disrupt team chemistry. We've seen that happen in MLS before, the most egregious example being Becks, but then you have the DeRo, de Guzman thing, and check-writing gestures on the field and stuff like that.

 

the only dp we need right now is Wondo not keane.

i would rather re-sign dawkins, and bring in a good rotational/squad CM and CB than sign a geovanni-type dp.

 

Fair points, but I wouldnt say Geo was a good DP signing anyways. If your going to DP, go big.

Again, I fail to see how giving a player a raise in 3 consecutive off season when he was under a multi-year contract is somehow unfair to him. If we want to give him a 100k year raise every time he goes over 15 goals, fine, but I dont see how Wondo can sign a contract and then be wronged because we didnt give him a large enough raise when he delivered on his end. Yes, hes more productive then some other DPs, but no, thats not a reason we have to give him extravagant raises when hes already under contract for multiple years.

You dont get a second chance to get a first impression. We are better off delaying signing a DP, who cannot pay off his salary with increased revenue in Buck Shaw, until we have a stadium that is "major league" in level. Yes there are times when you hemorrhage money in the short term for long term gains, but this is not the time.

And I agree with this. I think the calculation may change for 2014, depending where the club is on the field. And no, I dont think just any DP would make sense. If in 2014 we had a chance to attract a chance to attract a name player like a Riquelme or a Kaka, and it made sense, then we should do that. Those players could attract fans that might be dismissive of MLS otherwise.

 

61 goals in the past three years, not counting postseason or other games. That is ridiculous. What would other teams be paying for a guy who bags 20+ goals a season?? The FO has to know what they have here an at the very least pay out big for what Wondo has done for their franchise and the push to the next generation of the club in its new stadium.

 

Not saying that the club has been unfair to Wondo. But after getting a raise for again getting golden boot type of goal production (after 2011), and then blowing that number out of the water the next year and tying a league record, and then the guy still does not even have an agent, it becomes about good faith, and just something unusual that sets the club apart from the dull "business" of soccer that every club plays.

This is a special / rare thing that the Quakes have with Wondo. I just think that giving him a DP-level contract would make a statement. It's an opportunity to underline this special thing - sort of a celebration, one of the rare opportunities the club has to help further a legacy / story that goes beyond the business of soccer. And again I would argue that in building that legacy you are strengthening the club, which will wind up benefiting your business in the end. Let's say it costs $200-250k to take Wondo from a $350 guy to say a $500-600k DP contract. I think you'd wind up making that money back in spades by making this kind of statement.

OTOH, if the team is good, and the DP is good, you might sell some more season tickets for next year, and make that first impression (a filled new stadium) that much better for everyone. Believe me, it will be no secret that the Quakes are building a new stadium next year. There will be all kinds of stuff about the new stadium at Buck Shaw.

 

I agree that Wondo deserves a big pay increase, but, he isn't, *poof*, out of here, until his contract runs out, or we agree to deal him away prior to that. LA can say they will pay him $2million a year, but, he is still ours as long as he is under contract.

 

I don't think they'll go to a million, but I predict that they will make him a DP (especially after they read my compelling posts in this thread ) at somewhere in the $500k-1 million range, probably on the lower to mid range of that.

 

Only the first $350-$400k for a DP is counted toward the cap.

 

I think the current figure is $350k for over 23, and I think only $200k for 23 and under, and $150 for 20 and under - something like that.