Offseason moves?

Discussion in 'Houston Dynamo' started by metroag, Dec 1, 2012.

  1. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If that's all he was, i'd say $100K or less. With everything else Ching does, maybe $200K?
     
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  2. nbrooks503

    nbrooks503 Previously Held @Dynamo Hostage From 2008-2019

    Jun 1, 2008
    Disgruntled Former STH - Fairweather Bandwaggoner
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As you know this self effacing, modest, ex-Englishman does not generally take the credit for many of the endeavors he is involved in. However, in this case I do believe that I will. Without a shadow of a doubt it was my petition that convinced Brian to stick around as a player.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/brian-ching-play-one-more-year
     
  3. el jefe2010

    el jefe2010 Member

    May 7, 2010
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I understand the support numbers correctly, it seems like a simple conversation between to the two of you could've had the same impact.
     
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  4. The_Ponce

    The_Ponce Co-President of the United States of Dynamo

    Feb 21, 2011
    Houston, Texas, U.S.
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's exactly what happened.
     
  5. troutseth

    troutseth Member+

    Feb 1, 2006
    Houston, TX
    First off he can go more that that, but as you know Dom generally doesn't sub until minute 70. Seriously though, at 100-120k that would put him below the average MLS salary in the league which would be a very appropriate level for a 3-4 forward. He likely will be at 150 or so (just a guess) due to his past with the team but any more than that and I would cringe a bit. Frankly, even with the addition of Cummings, forward is not a depth position for us right now (Bruin-Cummings - Weaver - Ching). So unless you think you can find a bunch of talent under 150k out there it is a good signing.
     
  6. troutseth

    troutseth Member+

    Feb 1, 2006
    Houston, TX
    200k would be too much in my humble opinion. Not that Ching the man doesn't deserve a certain liberty; but he is really a 100-120k player now, even with all he does off the ball. I can see a premium up to 150, personally I would go no more because once you get over that average mark you start to have other options at the same price.
     
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  7. metroag

    metroag Da Bomb Diggity

    Mar 2, 2006
    La hacienda
    sad, but the truth
     
  8. *rey*

    *rey* Member+

    Feb 22, 2006
    Houston
    don't forget Omar Cummings is going to be gone for WCQ. heck, if Will Bruin starts 2013 hot will may even lose him to the Gold Cup (non-CONFED year, so i'm expecting a domestic based USMNT team).
     
  9. el jefe2010

    el jefe2010 Member

    May 7, 2010
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How much is his leadership and example worth? How many other legends of his status (all-time leading scorer and captain) on other teams would take being a sub with such great class and commitment. If he plays the whole season and gets 5 goals and 5 assists at 250k in about 1,200 minutes, then this is still valuable. You don't find leaders like Ching often, and while his on the field production does not warrant his salary, is locker room presence does. This year's playoff run is a perfect example of what locker room chemistry and leadership does.

    Here's to the Last Charge of Captain Ching in 2013
     
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  10. Levy2k6

    Levy2k6 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 19, 2010
    Section 129, Row A
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ain't there a mininum salary for vets? i figured it be more than 200K
     
  11. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    Is he?? Beckford, Fuller, Shelton... room for Cummings?
     
  12. brahmafutbol

    brahmafutbol Member+

    Jan 29, 2006
    East Bernard, Texas
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like Alex, he has really good numbers with Olimpia. I'll be annoyed if Boniek gets him to MLS but he ends up with another team.

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/blog/rumor-central:

    [García's involvement in the story naturally makes the Houston Dynamo a rumored destination, but López denied the certainty of a move, saying, "The truth is, I've had talks with Boniek García, but I'm not the one who makes the decisions here, [team] president Rafael Ferrari is the one who has command of the team, and he knows my future."]
     
  13. *rey*

    *rey* Member+

    Feb 22, 2006
    Houston
    if i was a manager, i would plan for that scenario. one injury or one bad start and he's on the board.

    especially since we're sure to lose J. Taylor, Boniek and possibly J. Watson. factor in that Brad Davis and possibly Bruin and possibly Rico for the Gold Cup. again i'm making assumptions, but the non-CONFED cup Gold Cup + WCQ has had me thinking that perhaps the US will go 30-35 players deep this summer.
     
  14. Levy2k6

    Levy2k6 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 19, 2010
    Section 129, Row A
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    to see Bruin, Rico, Davis and maybe another dynamo on the 29th..... omggggggggggggg.

    highly unlikely though :(
     
  15. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    Dynamo don't have the type of money imo to purchase Alex.
     
  16. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    I remember Tappa saying one of Watson or Taylor not getting called-up after the English players integrate with the team.. same for Omar.
     
  17. Soccergodlss

    Soccergodlss Member+

    Jun 21, 2004
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Kaiserslautern
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If he is worth it, that is what that DP tag is meant for. I've not seen him play in game, but the first highlight I saw on youtube is quite impressive:
     
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  18. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think a veteran presence is good but if a guy is injured and not playing, I really question his "locker room" value. If you aren't out there on the training pitch, the impact is minimal. It's a team sport dynamic where if you aren't on the field, your impact or respect level diminishes. It just does, out of sight, out of mind.

    Ching certainly made an impact in many of the games he entered, with his hold up play, passing (very underrated) and calmness at forward. It's just how much is that worth vs. what you are paying elsewhere on the roster.

    Note that he only had 3 goals in the run of play and 2 PKs.

    I sort of view 2012 as a nice gift to Ching to let him come back and play here and circumvent the salary cap with extra money from BBVA Compass and the promise of a post-career job.

    With the MLS cap the way it is, anything more than about $120K for leadership ONLY is a luxury. $150K for Ching would seem appropriate given his stature with the club, but you just can't keep giving him $200K because of what he did in 2006.
     
  19. Hungryjack

    Hungryjack Member+

    Jul 8, 2006
    Houston
    AEG money :)
     
  20. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    dat Los Angeles Galaxy money
     
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  21. Grimmjow316

    Grimmjow316 Member+

    Jun 20, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    El Salvador
    Dat De La Hoya money he made off the JMM/Pacman fight.
     
  22. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Y'know, I know for a fact that Uncle Phil knows we exists and recognize that he leaves crumbs for us to use here and there. Will Oscar and Brener....I think if they checked their investments and saw "Houston Dynamo SC, Inc" on it, they might respond "Wtf is that?"

    :D
     
  23. troutseth

    troutseth Member+

    Feb 1, 2006
    Houston, TX
    I don't think the last CBA had a minimum; not sure on the new one since we have never seen it in print. In general, I doubt there is a hard minimum as that would leave the door open for too many journeymen making 200k on the new guaranteed contracts. Perfect example is ERob only made 120 or so his last year in 2011.
     
  24. troutseth

    troutseth Member+

    Feb 1, 2006
    Houston, TX

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