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  1. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
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    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    When Skizz was active on here he and I talked about this a lot. Nike's visual/usage appeal was a lot like Apple - computers, not our beloved Mod - especially in the early 00's through 2010; generally the shoes performed above average to excellent and they looked pretty cool . adidas felt a lot like Microsoft and Dell - functional while being the market leader, but clunky and blah; they were not exciting to wear for the most part. One only needs to see the Tunit, 7406, D-X, for an intro of examples.

    Obviously there have been exceptions going the other way with both brands, but by and large I think it is a fair simile.
     
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  2. Decency

    Decency Member

    Oct 4, 2012
    Club:
    Hibernian FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    A HND is a qualification, a second year undergrad course in the UK, I'm not planning on doing it full time I started the course when I was playing pro youth football for Aberdeen FC although I was later on released. Almost everyone I have played with experiences pain of joints after playing on astro turf at one time or another. I'm pretty sure the material on this shoe above the rubber sole is about 1.5cm of cushioning. 180 minutes of use? Well this is a football forum and most games last 90 minutes. At most levels of football your going to have aches and pains regardless of how fit you are on any surface, especially if it is really hard like astro turf or really soft in the winter months. I do agree running bare foot is good for your feet. I'm pretty sure I seen something on the news about African long distance runners being better at it because they have been running barefoot for years and developed a stronger foot. Football is not running though so everything you posted about running again I did not read because it was not relevant.

    What level you do you play football at?
     

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  3. ejgrownarseman

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I actually had to Google the 7406. There's a black hole in my mind when it comes to the timeline of boots. My college years from 2005-2010 I paid zero attention to any releases, aside from buying some Predator Absolute Absolado indoors (on the way to the game, no less) and later a pair of Nike T-5. A guy that used to be on my men's league team had the 7406 and I always wondered what they were.
     
  4. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    My retail location has top of the range in at least one color of everything, then take downs. The outlet near me is hit and miss. Some times they have a load of awesome yet out of date colors/models and other times they have crap. Currently they have crap. This time last year they had full size runs of adiZero 1.5 synthetic and leather in purple, launch white adiPower, and blackout adiPure IV's.
     
  5. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    What I posted about "running" - as you define it - applies even if you chose not to read it. It touched on essential movements/plyometrics and it actually was not about running at all - at least not distance running. As someone that was in a professional set up at some point I find it astounding that this explanation of basic movement was not taught to you or that you didn't retain it. It's value applies to most all athletic endeavors that don't move in a straight line, not just football. Football is running and a lot more, obviously. If you can't connect the dots that running/plyo/sprinting is universally applied into football...well, I don't know what else to say on the topic other than good luck studying athletics and thinking concepts of building block type movements are not cross-functional to various sports.

    I can't make blanket statements on the people you play(ed) with, but again I would say it is safe to assume their joint pain is not casued by exclusively by turf -or soft ground. Is ground condition a contributing factor? Possibly, but there is a difference between correlation and causation. Unless the ground is completely baked out/rock hard, ground and you are in cleats -which do not disperse even pressure on a surface they can't break- you should not be factoring it in as the major cause of issue. Yes, obviously over the course of the season you will get aches and pains do to extreme stress on the body which comes in a variety of ways, but you are now changing your course. You said turf caused it...I provided reasonable doubt...you are now backtracking and restating your case.

    Without being condescending how can you not link the dots with the 180+ mins example? I was obviously stating that anything equating to less than two back to back matches worth of play is a minimal level of use, IMO. Meaning a truly fit amateur/Average Joe player should generally be able to play two matches in a day (180 mins) when playing below the professional level - or equal to that output in time of training, if so required/demanded; this is something that was very common for me before I tore my ACL in July. This is the level you described -actually this level is most likely above the Average Joe level you described - before trying to give yourself ethos with your Aberdeen statement. So.....that means 90 -180 mins is not a lot of use, IMO, and shouldn't lead to pain caused by turf/lack of cushion if you are in working order -pain might exist but more cushion most likely will not reduce that and less will most likely not increase it. Especially given that variations of static to dynamic movement in a game - a point you are very keen to stress. Further more you are talking 5's, 7's, 9's which usually means even less time played in a game -45 mins if you stay on the whole time without a sub (which pre-injury I did 99% of the time in small sided leagues). Back to back in that world is 90 straight mins, which most people don't do - again, I did this regularly if the arena had loose rules about players joining other games if teams needed them before/after my own matches.

    Currently I play at no level, I am 5 months out of surgery to reconstruct my ACL and repair my meniscus. Over the course of my life I have played close to the highest levels of youth soccer in the USA - for the time frame in which I played. Several former teammates and opponents of mine are current or former MLS and Full US National Team players or had careers abroad. Beyond that I played college soccer, and I have had a trial with an MLS club; I obviously didn't make the MLS team, but I did well enough to make an impression on them at the time. I have also trained with a team in the USL when it was the level below MLS, but I opted out of an invite to attend the last round of training/trials before they selected their roster because I had other things going on in my life that were more of a priority to me. I regret that last one a bit; I am not saying I would have made the squad, but I should have taken it to the max. More recently I play(ed) in what is viewed as two of the best - if not the best - amateur/semi-pro leagues in on the East Coast with teams that compete nationally. Most of my opponents and teammates are college standouts, retired or out of contract pros, or guys that were in pro set-ups abroad and ended up in America and did't try to play pro here.

    I am also a nationally licensed coach and still getting more badges as well sitting for my CSCS.
     
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  6. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
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    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Awful is what they were, hahaha.

    adidas did them as a hasty response to the Legend 1, which was killing it at the time - partly because it was a good shoe, partly because it had no initial competition as a "tech advanced/retro style" boot. The 7406 landed with a sickening thud - think skull on concrete; to the point that the Profi re-release was done in an effort to get something out that would sell before the adiPure I dropped. This was all while the 7406 was still being shipped by adidas to retailers. I think adidas actually openly pushed people away from the 7406 and to the Profi while both were in production.

    The adiPure one was helped by being a much better shoe and it had player uptake, which gave it credibility that the 7406 lacked. Literally not a single prominent adidas player wore it and you would have been hard pressed to find even a rank and file pro that wore it - aside from some MLS guys that just got them out of the stock pile of free boots all the teams have access to.
     
  7. Decency

    Decency Member

    Oct 4, 2012
    Club:
    Hibernian FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Proper running technique like arms swinging and knees bent etc?
     
  8. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Again, without being condescending, are you honestly a bit thick or are you just trying to get a rise out me?

    I am having trouble figuring out if I need to treat our conversation with kid glove because you just don't get "it" - which I can't fault you for because it just is your level of thinking/development. Or, you are just trying to be a troll? If it is the latter, I don't suffer fools gladly, just an FYI.
     
  9. red & wite army

    red & wite army I ain't no drama queen!

    Jan 15, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I had the indoor version of the 7406, and those were very good to me, but I certainly remember the havoc, or lack of it, around the release of the 7406 (1974 + 2006).

    I never got to try on the normal 7406, or play in them, but I still wonder why they were so unloved. They did look a bit like gold shoes, because of the way the toe area was stitched, but I don't think they look that different to the Adipure 4, minus the big HUGE tongue.

    OK, I do think the tongue was bad, but I still don't think that was a big enough reason for them to be unpopular. Also, I feel that not enough people even tried the boot, for the boot to get a bad reputation.

    Reputation, I think, or lack of it, is what I guess the issue is. It's as if Adidas had no real confidence in the boot from the start. Where were the players to promote it? Where was the advertising? Adidas didn't even seem to try! I remember just ONE single 7406 advert in one of hundreds of international football magazines I religiously paged though in that time period
     
  10. b0sk1

    b0sk1 Member+

    Jan 28, 2011
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the forward I have on my indoor team who never checks back for the ball and idea of pressure is just being in the opposing player's peripheral vision is actually playing the game correctly? Wow. I guess I need to apologize to my guy for yelling at him to run.
     
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  11. ejgrownarseman

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we may be teammates haha.
     
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  12. Decency

    Decency Member

    Oct 4, 2012
    Club:
    Hibernian FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    bite bite bite
     
  13. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I see a ban coming soon....

    Call me Nastradamus.

     
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  14. JonIsAnOwl

    JonIsAnOwl Member

    Apr 20, 2011
    England
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Sigh.
     
  15. keytoarson

    keytoarson Member

    Jan 22, 2009
    MN
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chiva?
     
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  16. b0sk1

    b0sk1 Member+

    Jan 28, 2011
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  17. Zizou15

    Zizou15 Member

    Jun 15, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I think it's EnergySling, not EnergySung.
     
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  18. Enxienty

    Enxienty Member

    Jul 29, 2008
    Thinking about going back to Adidas because all of my nike shoes thinks its funny to just die on me while im playing. Might even get adizeros after my whole little theory about them and there soleplate lol
     
  19. JonIsAnOwl

    JonIsAnOwl Member

    Apr 20, 2011
    England
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I'm going to get some synthetic AdiZeros. It appears the leather ones lose their shape pretty quickly, which I don't like at all really.
     
  20. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
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    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The new ones? I find that to be shocking/upsetting -based on trying them on - because they seemed pretty sturdy with stitching and thickness, yet reasonably supple for what they are.
     
  21. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    If he keeps taking the piss, I will sort him out. Otherwise, the less you feed the troll the less they grow. Eventually he will go back under his bridge.
     
  22. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
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    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Well the main issue with the boot was fit, from the feed back I got working in soccer retail at the time. The shoe just didn't feel good out of the box to many players; it was oddly shaped and lacked contour or structure. I owned a pair for a bit, but I think I only played in them for a pre-match warm up and then went with my Mundial Teams because half the pitch was dusty dirt that was frozen solid and the other half had a layer of ice on it. After that I went on a goal scoring tear in either my Legend 1 including two cup final winners at the death in the course of a couple weeks so the 7406's stayed in the bag then went on eBay. If anything was good about the 7406 from memory it was the heel counter, it has a good shape to it and was nice and solid. The rest of the boot was just "blah" at best. Plus, the Copa could be had for less money, it was the real deal for what the 7406 was trying to be in terms of "retro performance" and it was a proven performer.

    Personally I didn't hate the tongue; and I thought one of the last models in white with red looked pretty smart. I think there was white and royal blue one on the cards along with a few other colors that got shelved because of awful sales/retailer feedback.

    The 7406 is the only modern boot that I can recall that any major company just virtually abandoned after release and then adidas did a mea culpa with the Profi. That shows you how little value the shoe had with adidas. Usually a company rides out their mistake for a while, like the Tunit, Pred X or the AZT III. All of which had way longer lives than they deserved.

    Funny you mention the adiPure 4, which I think was visually the worst release of the adiPure's first four releases. I specifically hated it in all incarnations aside from the white/black/gold, the black/red/white and blackout because it reminded me of the 7406 and it has an awful heel counter both visually and performance wise.
     
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  23. ejgrownarseman

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just out of curiosity, why didn't you like the X? I thought it was great. I could see how some may not like the fit, though. In a way, it felt like you had them on the wrong feet for a second.
     
  24. JonIsAnOwl

    JonIsAnOwl Member

    Apr 20, 2011
    England
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I'm going off Vujojosh on YouTube. His leather AdiZeros seem pretty beat, and stretched around the ankle. I'm going to head into store and take a look before deciding though. I fancy a pair mind.
     
  25. Mercurial4991

    Mercurial4991 Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are right, my bad. :eek:
     

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