What makes you think Realo and Barca are by far the 2 best teams in the world????? Again its continued Spanish arrogance! This site if full of it!! Manchester United have the largest following in the world - that is a fact, look it up. What makes you think that Madrid v Barcelona is the most popular club game? Only other arrogant Spanish telling you. Bayern Munich and Dortmund are better teams than Madrid and Barcelona, what proof do you have otherwise? When was the last time Madrid came close to winning the Champions League?? Only post something you have to back up your claims, not just Spanish heresay!!!
Bayern and Dortmund are not better than Barcelona. Messi is just so special. He is the difference maker. Bayern Munich showed that they are better than Madrid so yeah the highest Madrid could be considered is 3rd unless they prove us wrong this season. They are top 3 imo because of Mourinho. When he leaves, they probably wont be top 5 in the world just like before he came. Of course, it depends who comes in but I dont think a great coach will replace him. Klopp will stay at Dortmund for many years to come. Loew is not that great. Conte will not move from Juve. We all know about Pep. I cant think of any other top coaches who can go far with Real.
Real Madrid was pretty poor before Mourinho. Lyon knocked Real out of Champions League and before that Liverpool beat Real 5-0 on aggregate. I think Borussia Dortmund is better than Barcelona.
Haha are you joking? La liga is much better than those two leagues. La liga teams are doing better in both the champions league and the europa league than teams from Serie A and Bundesliga do. No team from the Bundesliga has won the CL in the last 10 years, it's far from the best league, i would rank it as the fourth best league in Europe after Spain, England and Italy. Why should Messi leave Barcelona? In the last 10 years Barca has won 3 CL trophies which are as many as all english teams have won the CL in the last 10 years. They are the team in Europe most likely to go far in the champions league and win big trophies. La liga teams are proving themselves every year in the champions league, my dream is that Manchester United till face Real Madrid in the next round of the CL so that Real Madrid can dominate them easily like Barca did in two finals and prove how weak the best english team is compared to the best spanish team. The fluke victory of Chelsea last year is useless, this year Barca or Real Madrid will win the CL again.
Both Bayern and Borussia Dortmund have proven to be better than Real Madrid. Schalke is also probably better than both Valencia and Malaga. All Bundesliga teams have progressed in both the Champions League and Europa League. The last placed Bundesliga team is stronger than the worst team in La Liga as well.
Haha we are only in the group stages now, we will see how far the spanish teams will go compared to the germans when the real tournament start in the knock out stages. How can Dortmund be better than Real Madrid? Just because they won the group stages? HAHAHAHA. Real Madrid will go much more far than Dortmund in the end in the CL. In the last 10 years spanish teams have much better results than german teams in both the champions league and the Europa league. Spain is superior to Germany in club football. How can a league whose clubs team have won nothing for 10 years in Europe be the best? Only one german team is an elite team and that is Bayern, and not even Bayern can win the champions league. The german league is weak i'm afraid to say compared to Spain, Italy and England. Also the midtable teams in Spain are superior to the midtable teams in Germany, this is why the spanish teams can win the Europa league which the german teams cannot win.
Not sure if serious? The team that is 3rd place in Germany and already out of the title race better than Barcelona? Even in a bad year Barca goes much further than Dortmund in Europe.
So let me understand this: you're using a sample size consisting of this year's European group stages and last season's CL semi-final (which ended in a penalty shoot-out) as proof of the Bundesliga's strength? Yet Barcelona spending the last five years dominating almost every game they've played, winning three CL's, narrowly losing two semi's that they could and should have won, on top of last season's all-La Liga Europa League final, presumably counts for nothing? Also, if Borussia Dortmund are as good as you say, it's a very recent thing if last season's CL performance is anything to go by.
Good point. Looking at their results over the years it seems they can only get it right in one competition at a time. That's nothing to be ashamed of, but at best this puts them at Man City's level. You gotta do a little more than that to be placed alongside Barcelona.
Well, you could argue that Spain only has one team capable of winning the CL - a team which probably doesn`t consider itself Spanish. Real has done less than Bayern in the CL since 2002.
Won't be anymore if Radamel Falcao leaves Atletico Madred for the Premier League http://falcaoism.com/can-atletico-madrid-really-afford-to-give-up-falcao/
Yes, the German league was pretty rubbish in the early and mid 2000s but in the last 4 years(since 2008), it's shown a massive improvement. Especially from 2011, it can be considered as a really top top league and it's only getting better. If you look at the Uefa coefficients, Germany are about to surpass England and become 2nd only behind Spain. The league's average age was the lowest since 1974 last year.German clubs have spent a lot of money on youth development and now they are reaping the words. Every year, there are great talents coming through and now it's all about them getting experience. They are very young but have already shown good results in Europe(bayern,bvb,schalke). In 3-4 years, they can even reach the Spanish teams in terms of success in Europe. Also, with the financial fair play regulations kicking in, Spanish teams will no longer be able to spend more than they have. That's what German clubs have done over the last 10 years. Then it will be on equal grounds and we can compare.
But Barcelona are the ONLY Spanish team to win the Champions League recently, you do realise dont you that Liverpool, Manchester United & Chelsea have all one it over recent seasons! Do you realise that Liverpool, Manchester United, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa & Chelsea have all been champions of Europe, tell me how many different Spanish teams have ever won it??? Once again a Spaniard has to start spouting off about 'worlds best league' etc to try and desperately get the world to notice a league which quite frankly is so un-competetive that it is probably the 5th best league at best! Not only that you wont acknowledge the great teams at Bayern Munich and Dortmund. Do you not see how much more competitive AND entertaining the German league is compared to La Liga?? Maybe the 40,000 + fans (on average) that go to the games on match days can see it!!
Pretty dumb argument that would be. Doing less than Bayern doesn't say much. Bayern is capable of winning CL too.
You crowbarred a lot of information into place in a bid to make your point. First you count the teams that have won the competition recently, failing to note that Liverpool and Chelsea were almost perpetually in the CL over the last decade, owing largely to a clear, very uncompetitive "big 4" monopolising the qualification places. You also fail to note that the seasons in which Liverpool and Chelsea won the trophy, they had sub-par league campaigns, allowing them to focus on the cup. Barca have been winning it alongside other trophies. Then you go back through the history of EC/CL winners and count the teams that have won it, failing to note that England's top flight was far more competitive in the seventies and eighties and that such a comparison is irrelevant to determining the best league today. While we're on the topic, the argument could be made that based on recent history, despite Barcelona and Real Madrid's dominance, the standard of teams beneath them in La Liga compare favourably to most Bundesliga teams. Note that in the last decade, La Liga has had five UEFA Cup/Europa League champions, two runners up and two all-La Liga finals. In the same period, the best the Bundesliga has contributed was two runners up. Among the La Liga finalists, there were five different teams, none of which were Real or Barca. That tells me a lot about the level of teams further down La Liga. I'd argue that the German league in reality isn't that much more competitive than Spain. You get a greater rotation of Champions, but that's because instead of having two dominant contenders like Real and Barca, Bundesliga has just Bayern Munich. Whereas it usually takes Real Madrid and Barcelona to have simultaneous bad spells for another team to beat them to the title, Germany only needs that to happen to Bayern, so it creates an illusion of a league filled with title contenders. Truth be told, if Bayern is using it's vast resources effectively, they barely have competition, as we're seeing this season.
We can see which league produces most talents and good football. The England national team is a product of the PL, how are they playing football? Are they winning tournaments by playing PL styled football? No they get dominated by national teams that play latin style of football. All the english players play in the PL ''The best league in the world'', yet they cannot go far in a tournament. If the PL style is the best style to play football England would dominate all torunaments, instead Spain dominates the footballing world by using players that 95 % play their football in Spain. If the spanish league is weak how can Spain win 3 tournaments in a row by having players based in the spanish league dominating all other teams? All the best players in the world prefer to play in a top spanish team rather than a top english team, therefor the spanish league is the best because the cream of the footballing world wants to play for Real Madrid and Barcelona. No one choses Manchester United over Barcelona, this is the truth. Spain dominates football today, spanish teams are dominating the CL and the EL and the spanish national teams have won 3 tournaments in a row by dominating all the teams by playing spanish la liga type of football. The PL teams have to play physical and with tackling because they simple don't have the skills or the creativity to play like Spain and Barcelona does, they have to play shit Stoke style of football because that is what they are capable to play with their limitied level of football qualities. Everyone wants to play like Spain and Barca but they are not of the level able to play like these super football teams.
It's laughable to compare Germany to Spain, the german leage is improving but until they win a CL or even a EL trophy the cannot be compared to spanish teams who have won many CL and EL trophies the last 10 years. The german league is still behind the italian league because the italian league has better results in Europe the last 10 years. Italian teams have won 3 CL trophies the same as Spain and England in the last 10 years while Germany has won nothing in that time. The important thing is to win, not to have teams that go far but never win anything. Spain and spanish teams win things, they don't go to a semi-final and are happy to go out. A semi final defeat mean nothing for Spain and spanish teams but for other countries it's an success.
Not every team in Spain tries to play like Barcelona, and not every team in England plays like Stoke. Did you read that link I posted earlier?
All teams in Spain want to play football and attack, in England only the top teams have that mindset. The rest of the english teams are happy to play like they always has; Long balls on a lonely forward and park the bus the whole game. You can't compare the mindset northern europeans have compared to southern europeans, for northern europeans the importance is always on the defence and to play tough, their skills with the ball is very limited. This is why the top english teams don't use english players because english players can't play free flowing attacking football, their techniqe and skill with the ball is not suited for that kind of football. This is why latin countries like Brazil, Italy, Argentina and now Spain has dominated world football, their players are always superior when it comes to skills with the ball and technique and this is the most important thing because if you are superior techniqally the opponent will almost never see the ball and will 9 out of 10 matches also lose the match.
With statistics you get the result you want. I can link to statistics that show that spanish teams have better results than english teams the last 10 years in Europe but that won't make people like you think the spanish league is the best, right? Take out the foreign latin players from the PL and you know that the english teams would use long balls all the match, this is nothing to be ashamed of this is just how englishmen play football. Leave it to the brazilians and other latin people to play free flowing football and leave it to the english to play hard physical football. All countries have different ways of playing football, you will never get an englishman to play like a brazilian and and a brazilian will never play like an englishman.
A convenient way of ignoring information you don't like. Not sure where you get that from. I think the Spanish league is currently the strongest - maybe not top to bottom, but certainly the top half. My issue is your portraying of the English league as only capable of long ball football, when the link I provided shows there is no more propensity to it in England than in Spain. The main difference is that you rarely see a bottom of the table clash from Spain, so most people don't get to see how Osasuna and Granada face off, whereas in England games between weaker teams are often broadcast internationally.