Not good at all if the vikings Qb position was decided on play Joe Webb would be starting right now. Ponders best game was against Washington where as you know a good portion of that was done in garbage time. His receivers aren't the best but he is a wreck he even admitted he lost his confidence completely against Detroit last year. My pet peeve from the Qb position is when you see a guy playing scared that is when you know its over for him. I was almost naive enough to think Ponder was the guy going forward but this league always shows the truth eventually. I thought 12th overall was way to high to take him anyways. After seing him play against Seattle and Tampa Bay I would even take Rex Grossman or Blaine Gabbert over him.
Dude said he'd been getting shit from other fans for wearing the #6 jersey. They accused him of being on the Jets payroll (like that's a bad thing). I'm not a Jets fan, but I hate to see him go. Got to be a pretty dysfunctional environment up there.
Whether he was on the Jets payroll or not shouldn't matter. Same with the jersey. These are the same assholes who walked around the stadium wearing Blair Thomas, Browning Nagle and Neil O' Donnell jerseys (Says the guy who has only owned one Jets player's shirt - Al Toon). Jets fans are generally assholes. Big pot smoking bunch (ahhh the smell of halftime). Not as bad as Patriot fans (yes Patriot fans, you were essentially Liverpool fans before Brady arrived. You have a memory as good as Yankee fans).
I don't think Pittsburgh has an equivalent of Fireman Ed, but if they did and he was wearing an O'Donnell <spits> jersey, I'd be in favor of him not only being relieved of his duties, but having his season tix taken from him. Usually contradictory, but not always, I guess. Can't compare them to 'Pool- the Reds have a long and glorious history, and have even won more recently than New England (Milan gifted them the 2005 CL). The Pats, OTOH, were nothing until Camerachick and Brady got there.[/quote]
Jon Belcher of the Chiefs just killed his girlfriend and then committed suicide in front of GM Scott Pioli and coach Romeo Crennel. Very sad. Horrible. Belcher was only 25. He may have not been a good player, but considering he was an undrafted player who made a NFL squad multiple seasons, that's a hell of an accomplishment. RIP to both, prayers to the families.
...wow. Very sad news, and doubtless will lead to further investigations into concussions and such as he was a linebacker (high impact position).
If you want to take your own life, that's one thing, but don't ruin two other lives by letting them watch you kill yourself. Suicide is a very selfish thing, and by doing it in front of both Pioli and Crennel, you've just haunted their lives forever because they had to watch you commit suicide. The only person I feel bad for is the woman he killed and the 3-month-old baby they leave behind.
God, there's no phrase in the world I hate more than "suicide is selfish". None. Do agree about doing it in front of others, but the phrase itself... I'll leave it at that or things will get a bit heated in here.
He's not man enough to face his crime and go to prison, so he takes the easy way out, and blows his head off. Meanwhile, he has a 3-month-old baby who will now grow up without either parent because he took the easy way out. If that's not the definition of selfish, then I don't know what is.
That seemed a little over the line. Not really sure I deserved that, but if you want to defend the murderer and his actions, go right ahead.
Where did I defend his killing his wife? Quit trying to put words in other peoples mouths to make the saddle up there on your high horse more comfortable. You don't have a clue what you are talking about, simple as.
As someone who did attempt suicide, yes, I know what I'm talking about, and it is selfish. It would've been selfish if I had gone through with it, and it's selfish when anyone does it. You have several choices you can make with regards to your problems. Killing yourself is the most selfish of them, whether you like it or not. You said that I have no idea what's going on in his head, but neither do you. He had been known for a long time to be a short-tempered hothead, and something may have upset him enough to kill his girlfriend. After he killed her, he had several choices. His choice was calculated. He went to Arrowhead to personally thank Pioli and Crennel for his opportunities because he knew what his next move was. His next move was to take his own life. That's a selfish action, plain and simple. He may have had problems of several natures, but none of them were unsolvable enough to take his own life. I'm not trying to take any moral high ground. I gain nothing from this. The Chiefs lost a teammate. A child lost his mother and father. Two sets of families lost a son, a daughter, a brother, and a sister all because of one action that was incredibly selfish when he could've taken another path.
Again, I never once claimed to know what was going on his head, and I never once made a judgement - positive or negative - as to his actions. That was you. If you have indeed attempted suicide, then you will understand the constant crushing of depression and the sheer inability to do anything about it for many. It often takes a failed suicide attempt for people to experience a turnaround for a reason. Trying to tell somebody suffering from serious depression to "get over it" or "just carry on" is the same as demanding the answer to the question "how long is a piece of string?" - it is simply not possible. Hence the vital importance of lengthy and intensive treatment and therapy. Maybe he did it for the sole purpose of not going to prison, but that comes over as slightly less than plausible to me. Or maybe he was suffering from serious depression for quite a while, which had gone undiagnosed. Or maybe his brain had suffered the impact of multiple concussions (or being made play with a concussion - he was not a guy who could afford to take a play or two off after all, and was very expendable to coaches in terms of risking injury, as opposed to a Von Miller or Patrick Willis). Or, most likely in my opinion, it was a combination of all three of these factors and possibly more. The bottom line: I don't know, you don't know, nobody here knows. So who are we to judge? Pressuring someone into doing what others want, regardless of their wants, supposed needs, feelings or mental/emotional conditions - that is the very definition of selfishness. It's a huge shame what happened, but to judge somebody's actions in terms of the decision to take their own life, and the circumstances surrounding that decision, is just so wrong on so many levels. As for the murder of his wife and killing himself in front of Crennel/Pioli, yeah that is a different matter. This is all before we get into the impact of concussions and how it can impact the mind. I don't know what history (if any) he had with concussions, but I would be more surprised to hear he did not have any than did, judging by this story and the stories of suicides involving ex-NFL players in recent years (the best example being the guy who shot himself in the chest specifically so his brain could be closely examined, can't remember his name)
It has been crazy wall-to-wall coverage here in KC... sad... a new low for the season which was already the worst in team history... and I agree with BillyIreland on nearly everything he said...
Russell Wilson - impressive! Between the Bears/Seahawks, Lions/Colts & 49ers/Rams, that was some serious flurry at the finish on Redzone!!