Kevin Payne leaving DC United

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  1. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
  2. Haig

    Haig Member+

    May 14, 2000
    METROSTARS
    Club:
    --other--
    From the Steven Goff article linked above:

    Pure speculation, but at this point is Payne an impediment to the stadium negotiations with the District?
     
  3. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Holy smokes.

    Was Payne one of, if not the longest tenured MLS employee either at team or league level (not including ownership)?
     
  4. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    That's probably decent speculation. But there's also a case for United to work (with someone else in charge) to improve the club's business operations/management even while it continues to plod along in their original venue.

    And whether Payne is/was now an impediment or not to the new stadium negotiations/process, clearly Thohir, Levien and Chang think Levien is the guy who is most capable to guide the project through to completion in DC at this point.
     
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  5. Haig

    Haig Member+

    May 14, 2000
    METROSTARS
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    Mark Abbott was the very first league employee, and has been working for MLS since 1993. He was a Rothenberg protégé. Todd Durbin has been handling contracts since before the first season.

    Craig Tornberg has been with the Revs since 1995. Not sure about any other team's staffers.
     
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  6. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    That has been my theory for many years and this development does nothing to change that.
     
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  7. suppitty

    suppitty Member

    Mar 15, 2004
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It could be that his presence is annoying to D.C. govt officials that have been dealing with him for the last decade. But I think it has as much to do with declining ticket sales and a Volkswagen sponsorship deal which has been allowed to run out/die.
     
  8. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    Goff says he's joining Toronto.
     
  9. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    hasn't he been a failure over the past 5 years? presided over the precipitous decline of DCU from MLS's flagship team to bottom feeder (this season being a bit of bright news)?

    so if TFC want's to be a successful MLS club in 1998 this seems like an excellent pick ... in 2013 however?
     
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  10. EL MONO MARIO

    EL MONO MARIO Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Montevideo, Uruguay
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Odd move. Well DC is under new ownership and might want to change things up... Although without Payne in DC and the new owner insistance of bringing in Indonesian players I have to roll my eyes at DC becoming any better without Payne.
     
  11. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the new ownership is looking for somebody with a little more bite and aggression to get shit moving. KP is an awesome guy, but in a room full of business exec's he might not be the guy who stands out.
    Wherever he ends up, the club will benefit.
    I think KP is owed a great deal of appreciation from fans of every team. He nurtured the supporters relationship with the front office when nobody else in the league was doing that, and I think some of the growth of "supporterhood" in this league can probably be credited to him.
     
  12. RapidStorm

    RapidStorm Member+

    Jan 30, 2005
    Denver, CO
    Poor TFC fans.
     
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  13. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IIRC, Payne is a part owner of DC United. I'm guessing he's going to have to sell his stake in the team before he goes to work for another team.
     
  14. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Yes, I believe he has some sweat equity.

    I'm sure the new ownership group will have no problem buying his share.
     
  15. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Disagree.
    I think KP is infinitely better than their old ownership. Toronto can probably look forward to a guy who is committed to soccer and knows MLS. He also is a great guy to work for, if that means anything...
     
  16. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    For a team with zero competency inside the FO, Payne is 50x better than current TFC FO structure
     
  17. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That being said.. i wonder where some of that incompetency comes from :sick:
    Steven Goff@SoccerInsider
    FWIW, Toronto FC exec Earl Cochrane worked for Kevin Payne in communications office at #dcu many moons ago #tfc #mls
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DC's youth academy produced the best QUALITY (Dallas wins for quantity) in the league. Also, KP worked well with the fan groups.

    Those might be the two key things TFC needs right now. They have a large metro area; add a Najar level talent and a Hamid level talent to a healthy TFC, and that team makes the playoffs.
     
  19. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Portland, Seattle, RSL, and KC, hide your women, children, and best executives. DC is going to come knocking with the prospects of a shiny new stadium, a decent young squad, and low payroll.
     
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  20. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sweet Creamery Butter!
     
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  21. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    No doubt Payne built DC United and has earned a lot of respect and gratitude. The game has passed him though. I hope/believe the new owners are looking at Seattle, Portland, and KC with wanting eyes.
     
  22. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Cochrane has done some really bad damage to TFC. Can't wait to see him gone
     
  23. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    He was ours first! Sure we immediately traded him to the Wiz, but we did draft him.
     
  24. JeremyEritrea

    JeremyEritrea Member+

    Jun 29, 2006
    Takoma Park, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing odd about this move at all. We have no stadium, attendance has been in decline, until this year we've missed the playoffs four years in a row. It was well past time for Kevin Payne to go.

    I'm happy with what he did from 1996-1999, but not much after that.
     
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