Leveraged Sellout - The Arsenal Finance Thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Rewinder, Sep 14, 2008.

  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I am kidding with you.
     
  2. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    the wider problem with wonga is more to do with what is seen as "preying" on people withwhat could be called legalised loan sharking. did you see much problem with newcastle's 20 years of alcohol sponsorship or 8 years of bank sponsorship?
     
  3. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    in fairness to crazy150, he said its his friends, not him.
     
  4. total_football

    total_football Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Hmmm, saw this rumor on the BBC page: "Arsenal are set to announce a new kit deal with German sportswear giant Adidas to replace their current agreement with Nike. The Gunners will receive £22m a year, an increase on the £8m a year they earn currently.
    Full story: The Times"
     
  5. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That would be awesome - an extra 40m a year in sponsorship money, plus whatever extra Emirates is paying for the stadium.
     
  6. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    Seriously
     
  7. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    The sample kit look is pretty awesome.
     
  8. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    ManUtd is over the hills and away from the pack on commercial deals. I see no end in sight to their hegemony. Unfortunately Arsenal are just far far behind I'm curious what the footballing landscape will be like in 5 yrs commercial, and salary wise.
     
  9. WoodDraw

    WoodDraw Member+

    May 29, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    United are obviously way ahead of everyone. The only hope with them is that their owners drain money from the club, even more than now.

    Arsenal is decently situated to be in the top tier though. The biggest question will be how will the money be invested. Will it allow us to buy players, or simply catch up to the rest on wages and fees?
     
  10. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Catching up to the rest on wages and being able to spend 15m on players a season is the goal, isn't it? It just seems like we can only do one or the other, but not both.
     
  11. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    This looks like a bad deal to me. On the Arsenal website they mention in passing at the end that this deal includes an extension to the stadium naming rights--so am I right in thinking that the stadium naming rights are included in this money? Someone correct me if not, but if naming rights aren't included in these other contracts we're comparing against, we are getting completely ripped off
     
  12. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm no expert on shirt deals but it seems like this may not be so hot. Although it's a big increase on our last one, the reason for that is partly because we negotiated too long a term last time. Aren't we possibly doing that again? (assuming that the world of elite football is still on an always increasing curve of sponsorships)

    p.s. I too am not fond of this particular sponsor, but there are so many other uninspiring ones out there, like gambling websites. I'm resigned to seeing it on the shirt. It's the stadium naming rights that drives me nuts. I continue to call it The Grove every opportunity I have! :mad:
     
  13. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Depends on how much stadium naming rights are worth. Typically not more than 2-3 million per year IIRC
     
  14. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Really? That seems really out of whack to me
     
  15. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    when they are broadcasting matches on television, the announcer has to tell you the match is at Emirates Stadium. No one has to tell us Emirates is on is on the front of the Arsenal shirt.
     
  16. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks Prince for that very simple explanation... seems very plausible to me. I assume you're right about stadium naming being way cheaper than shirt naming.
     
  17. WoodDraw

    WoodDraw Member+

    May 29, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They lose a ton of value after the first go too. I think the point of the naming rights extension is 1) people already widely call it the Emirates, so it makes sense, and 2) it locks our biggest sponsor into a long term relationship with the club. That'll help when we negotiate with them again next time around.
     
    DaPrince84 repped this.
  18. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'm still disappointed that we resigned with Emirates. I had my heart said on someone like BMW.
     
  19. total_football

    total_football Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Saw this on FB, no source attributed: "
    Wenger: "When I arrived clubs were owned by
    people who loved the club. Now it’s a business
    model."
     
  20. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Is he saying this about Arsenal? Or about football in general?
     
  21. WoodDraw

    WoodDraw Member+

    May 29, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was asked something along the lines of, "How has football changed since you arrived?"
     
  22. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
  23. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
  24. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If by chace this were the beginning of the end of PHW's active role on the board, I found myself thinking... there isn't another Hill-wood heir waiting in the wings to takeover his spot on the board right?

    And even if there was, isn't PHW's share % so small as to be fairly insignificant these days?
     
  25. WoodDraw

    WoodDraw Member+

    May 29, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What share? You mean the share of money he took from Kroenke?

    There's only one shareholder left on the board.
     

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