RDM bites the dust

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Well one thing that definitely imploded was the financial backing.

    The treble winning Inter team had a payroll over EUR200m p/a and cost a fortune to assemble


    It just never got the whole sugar daddy coverage associated with City

    http://swissramble.blogspot.de/2010/08/price-of-inters-success.html
     
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  2. fernb8

    fernb8 Member+
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    Aug 12, 2002
    without being too much of a moaning old git

    I really dont think it matters who is managing/coaching the players atm

    I believe they have sadly learned that underperforming as a group will lead to a change in management instead of accountability on their level
     
  3. sportscribe

    sportscribe Member

    Jul 2, 2007
  4. fernb8

    fernb8 Member+
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    Aug 12, 2002
    Former Blues boss Jose Mourinho was philosophical about Di Matteo's departure.
    "That's football," Mourinho told Sky Sports 2. "I'm never happy when a manager is sacked. It can happen to me and is a feeling that no one likes to have. But at the same time, everyone knows I like Chelsea.
    "I supported Roberto and I wished him to do well, and I will support the next Chelsea manager."
     
  5. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    He didn't make back to back finals, that was Cuper at Valencia. He took over Valencia after that. His second place finish was a fluke. I remember it really well because 'Pool fans were convinced it they were a player away and I was convinced they'd crater the following season once luck evened out - and boy did it. His transfer policy at Pool was horrific (he'd go through about 12 players a year moving!!), he was a decent cup manager but an awful league one and he played the same system.
    Benitez is a competent coach, but he definitely did not "overperform" at Liverpool.
     
  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Sorry - you are right - his two finals at Liverpool were not back to back.

    But the point stands - I don't see how he can make 2 finals in 3 seasons and uptick performance to over 80 points as a fluke. Yes they fell apart in his last year - but the whole club was insolvent by then - and I am sure everyone knew it.

    As for his transfers - the data indicates that he overperformed in his acquisitions - but of course he started with a much weaker squad that what Chelsea and United had.

    The expectation that Liverpool ought to have won a title under him is erroneous. That's the real issue.
     
  7. JediSoccer

    JediSoccer Member

    Jul 13, 2010
    Spokane, Washington
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    stAnfield Bridge.
     
  8. JediSoccer

    JediSoccer Member

    Jul 13, 2010
    Spokane, Washington
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Yeah, we might as well dump The Liquidator for--

    When you walk through a storm
    Hold your head up high
    And don't be afraid of the dark
    At the end of the storm
    Is a golden sky
    And the sweet silver song of the lark

    Walk on through the wind
    Walk on through the rain
    Though your dreams be tossed and blown

    Walk on walk on with hope in your heart
    And you'll never walk alone
    You'll never walk alone

    When you walk through a storm
    Hold your head up high
    And don't be afraid of the dark

    At the end of the storm
    Is a golden sky
    And the sweet silver song of the lark

    Walk on through the wind
    Walk on through the rain
    Though your dreams be tossed and blown

    Walk on walk on with hope in your heart
    And you'll never walk alone
    You'll never walk

    You'll never walk
    You'll never walk alone.
     
  9. fernb8

    fernb8 Member+
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    Aug 12, 2002
    not sure about that under his watch the following players were signed

    Djibril Cisse- 14 mil
    Josemi- 2 mil
    Antonio Nunez- 1.5 mil
    Luis Garcia- 6 mil
    Xabi Alonso- 10.5 mil
    Mauricio Pellegrinio- free
    Fernando Morientes- 6.3 mil
    Scott Carson- 750k
    Pepe Reina- 6 mil
    Mark Gonzalez- 4.5 mil
    Boudewijn Zenden- free
    Mohammed Sissoko- 5.6 mil
    Peter Crouch- 7 mil
    Daniel Agger- 5.8 mil
    Robbie Fowler- free
    Craig Bellamy- 6 mil
    Gabriel Palleta- 2 mil
    Fabiano Aureilo- free
    Jermaine Pennant- 6.7 mil
    Dirk Kuyt- 9 mil
    Nabil El Zahr- 200k
    Astrit Ajdaveric- 750k
    Avlaro Arbeloa- 2.6 mil
    Javier Mascherano- 17 mil
    Sebastian Leto- 1.8 mil
    Charles Hubert Itandje- 1.4 mil
    Lucas- 5 mil
    Andrei Voronin- free
    Krisztian Nemeth- signed
    Fernando Torres- 26.5 mil
    Yossi Benayoun- 5 mil
    Ryan Babel- 11.5 mil
    Emiliano Insua- signed
    Damien Plessis- signed
    Martin Skrtel- 6 mil
    Phillip Degen- free
    Andrea Dossena- 7 mil
    Diego Cavalieri- 3.5 mil
    David Ngog- 1.5 mil
    Robbie Keane- 20.3 mil
    Vitor Flora- free
    Albert Riera- 8 mil
    Glen Johnson- 18 mil
    Alberto Aquailani- 20 mil
    Sotiros Kyragiakos- 2 mil
    Maxi Rodriguez- free
    Jonjo Shelvey- 1.7 mil
    Suso- free

    there are a couple of very good pick ups for the money but he had some horrific misses and the shear quantity of players signed was probably going to lead to one or two good signings. A little similar to asking every woman in the bar if she wants to screw- after countless slaps in the face one may just say yes.
     
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  10. Dear_Claudio

    Dear_Claudio Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    Buffalo, New York
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The atmosphere at the Bridge is going to be vitriolic Sunday. I think it will be the first time that the fans actually chant directly against Roman.

    Home games are going to be a disaster for the next month or so, especially if City run us off the park.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    The volume is a key part of his approach. Remember because Liverpool often had quite poor cashflow, he needed to trade a lot.

    Anyway - it has been analyzed heavily elsewhere - but the good news for you is that the meme that Benitez wasted a lot of money is false and on any measure he made profits in the transfer market.

    Liverpool's problem all along has been that by the time of Houllier the squad was not worth very much thanks to all the stupidity in the 90s.

    This is a problem Chelsea do not have.

    In fact Benitez will inherit the most valuable squad in the league.

    http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/02/benitez-the-great-money-waster/


     
  12. Kerry Dixon's Boots

    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2006
    77 degrees
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    If the crowd turns on Roman, I hope they also wipe the memories of league titles and European success. That they no longer sing about Terry winning a double, or knowing who we are. They could sing about Wise going up to lift an FA Cup of course, but it's debatable how many people actually were there and how many are only here because of Roman in the first place.

    This is two sides of the same coin and if people are happy to cheer the successes they have to suck up the bad times (however they are defined for you personally). To do anything else is the absolute definition of being a fair-weather fan.

    I don't think I will be going to the pub this weekend or for a few more, because frankly if people boo, I don't want to say something I regret.

    I always wondered why, when growing up, Liverpool fans complained bitterly about a loss or a change in management or playing staff. I couldn't fathom why anyone would be upset when they had titles in the trophy cabinet and were playing in big games on a regular basis. I always thought them to be spoiled brats who didn't know a good thing when they had it.

    In the last 2 days, it's depressing to think I now know exactly how they got to that point.
     
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  13. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Haha, I've seen that post before, and it's rubbish. Those figures are basically a ton of mistakes and the sale of Torres and Alonso, by which point Liverpool were a midtable side. Rafa basically bought 3 good players his entire time at Liverpool, and he bought a LOT. The fact that Liverpool squeezed money out of those purchases like blood from a stone doesn't change the fact that his purchases were nearly all duds. We don't want him to make a profit on transfers, we want him to be a good manager. This is the same manager that wanted to sell Alonso to buy Barry ffs!
     
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  14. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    It will be anti-Rafa, not anti Roman.
     
  15. Kerry Dixon's Boots

    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2006
    77 degrees
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    If there is any unpleasantness, I hope this is the case, but I've seen a lot of sentiment in the past 24 hours that suggests people are over Roman, as ridiculous as that sounds.

    I really hope you're right, but then I'd hope we also want our manager to be successful which seems fantastical at this point in time.
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Its not rubbish - its the reason why Liverpool amassed 86 points in the peak season and got to two CL finals - more than Arsenal did - starting with a worse squad ;)

    We know he screwed up the next year - but you can believe it was all blind luck if you like.
     
  17. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    The 86 point season was a huge fluke and no one has denied he's a decent cup manager. That's not what Chelsea need, and his transfer record is appalling due to talent evaluation, not necessarily the inability to recoup losses. Honestly, how did buying Aquilani to replace Alonso make any kind of sense when he was hurt during the transfer?
    Your statistical analysis keeps missing the forest for the trees.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    There are no 38 game flukes
     
  19. slipereypete

    slipereypete BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2003
    Gig Harbor, WA, USA
    Those glasses are actually close to 5,000$
     
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  20. Kerry Dixon's Boots

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    Jun 6, 2006
    77 degrees
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    In Mother Russia, Kwik-E-Mart buy you.
     
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  21. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Sounds like he got ripped off. Who sold them to him? Liverpool? Cause they ripped us off with Torres too...
     
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  22. Footy Magoo

    Footy Magoo Audaces fortuna iuvat

    Mar 23, 2009
    ♫ Flugelville
    If people have an issue with the new manager, shouldn't they have a bigger issue with the guy who brought him in? It's almost like Roman is a bit player in the scenario from many of the comments I have read.
     
  23. The Cold Sea

    The Cold Sea Señor Mejor

    Feb 17, 2005
    The District
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    You check with Pep and I'll check with Roman. We'll get to the bottom of this.
     
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  24. chief232

    chief232 Member

    Jun 29, 2007
    Mississauga, Ontario
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I'm not going to boo the club or anything, and I will obviously continue to be a supporter, but this decision is really, really poor imo and it's very hard to support. Di Matteo was a fantastic player for us before Abramovich ever came about, won the Champions League title he so desperately craved as a manager, I'm just appalled at the treatment which appears to completely disregard us, the fans. And to replace him with Benitez...
     
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  25. JediSoccer

    JediSoccer Member

    Jul 13, 2010
    Spokane, Washington
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Agreed.
     

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