Not much inconsistency to be found in his Serie A carreer. As for the European Cup record, these were Juventus' scorers during the Platini era (1982-87): Platini, 20 goals (4 penalty kicks) Rossi, 13 Boniek, 9 M. Laudrup and Vignola, 6 Serena (1 pen) and Cabrini, 5 Tardelli and Penzo, 4 Briaschi, 3 Brio, Bettega, Tavola and Pin, 1 owngoals: 2.
I won't. I'm not your little dog. Read the Spain thread again, maybe you see your own mistakes. There you can also read what I thought about the Cruyff column and the low amount yellow cards of Spain in 2010. Especially you can read how you used a big mouth while simply don't knowing what the discussion was. Like here: https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/...-best-team-ever.1947326/page-13#post-26712393 You are free to be a Latin/Spanish fan but I'm also free to gain the insight that discussing with this group does not fare very well for me. Lets call it progressive wisdom. I'm certainly free to not address the same piece of information three times in two weeks. Your character assassination of portraying me as bitter, one-sides, nationalist nostalgist who goes berserk if his own nation is at stake can also be applied to you because your are not neutral or objective either. You want to maintain that mask of neutrality but I'm done with these games. That is all OK and I initially did not realize your color (everyone is free to have a color btw). The penny also dropped later with regards to how to interpret a few of your very first posts since your hiatus. I initially had an open mind and thought 'good thought-experiment, how would Poland have performed with Lubanski in their team' among others. This and many other things, also not related to my own country btw, was seen by me as just 'good info' without you making a specific point. Only later on, Captain Hindsight, I started to sense that the information or quotes had a purpose without the necessary explanation or argument attached to it. That is also the way discussions tend to derail. Info or a viewpoint is posted like Casillas asking respect for Italy which is only remotely related to the subject or previous discussion points. I.e. the focus is shifted from the quality/results of the Spain side to their supposedly well-mannered and respectful behavior. Of course with the intention to play the sympathy card but rationally it has only a remote relation to the subject. In that way threads tend to derail and lose focus, with as result that it becomes an arms race of opposing monologues and narratives. Anyhow, to keep an answer short. No, I'm not your dog you can give commands to and demand to perform the same trick twice.
It would also be helpful if you indicate the sources of these things just as the yellow cards. Where are the aggregate amount of yellow listed?
This one is from a booklet published by Gazzetta dello Sport in 2002. As for cards in la Liga, check http://www.bdfutbol.com/es/t/t.html Just click on the season and you'll get comprehensive stats.
Thanks for info. But honestly I never though neither that you were small and neither that you were a dog. I'm a football fan and I like whatever team plays beautiful football. When I was a kid it was Holland, in the 80s it was Brazil, Denmark and Roma, in the late 80s and early 90s Milan, later on Ajax and Wenger's Arsenal. In the beginning of the 00s, Real Madrid was supposed to be the great attraction, but their project was more mercantile than footballistic. From the day Rijkaard arrived to Barcelona, they have been the avantgarde team in the world. Difficult to question that. So, maybe you should say I'm pro-Catalan and anti-Madrid then, to use your mind sent of "pro" and "anti". My answer is no. I like Madrid and madrileños more than Barcelona and Catalan people. I get easily fed up with the "Catalonia is not Spain" chatter and I find people in Madrid (or Andalucia) livelier and more friendly. Well, you usually get aggressive and start insulting when Hollands is involved in one way or another. Are you saying you will get equally aggressive for other reasons?
I would myself call Celtic's win a tactical victory if Celtic hadn't allowed Barcelona so many chances on goal. But the reality? Barcelona had 17 shots on goal. Is that what you call a tactical victory? "Allowing" Barcelona to create chances hoping none of them go in? If "hoping" is involved then it's luck. The aim of a tactic is to limit the chances an opposition creates. Once the chances are limited, the chances of goals created are naturally limited as well. Inter's one in 2010 was a tactical victory because it effectively limited Barcelona's chances. Celtic's and Chelsea's were not.
I don't know if you follow La Liga much, but lady luck (and occasional pathetic refereeing) is the only reason Barcelona have only drawn one game this season and won the rest. Not to mention that Barcelona 'were lucky' to win the first game. Plus as far as luck is concerned it went both ways: Song and Mascherano should have been sent off and there was one penalty that should have been called (making it a probable 3:0 lead for Celtic). So saying Celtic was lucky to win this is just as true as saying that Barcelona were lucky to not lose by more.
How many of those 17 chances were quality chances? Not much. Naturally they didn't do as well as Chelsea normally does against Barcelona, but it's not like all those 17 shots were quality chances. Buahahaha on the Chelsea comment.
Look, I'm not pulling this thread off topic so this is my last reply to you as you're clearly blinkered. A club with Celtic's resources cannot stop a team stacked with the sort of talent Barcelona has from creating any chances. Just as we could not defend the whole pitch against them either. Just as you have to believe your goalkeeper will have a good game as he will be called upon at some point in the match. So you 'allow' them to have space where it is less likely to hurt you. If you believe all Barcelona's 17 shots on goal were extremely good goal scoring chances then good luck to you. Chances to score were limited by Celtic due to the tactics adopted by them. If not, then we would have lost. Feel free to show me the last match Barcelona played where the opposition tactics worked so well they restricted them to less than a handful of attempts at goal.
I do follow La Liga but I don't get to see every Barca match. What I was suggesting that for a team like Celtic to defeat Barcelona we need to have an element of luck as well as a sound gameplan and a keeper on form. And yes, I agree that Song was fortunate to remain on the park, on more than one occasion.
Man did you even watch the game yourself to say such things? What constitutes quality according to you? If quality to you means running as fast as possible in a coutner attack and shoot as hard as possible like your boy "Ronaldo" always does, then we are different because according to me, if a team still creates chances against parking-the-bus teams, than that team is damn good.
Rayo Vallecano did restrict the amount of chances Barcelona played without parking the bus a few weeks ago. Valencia and Athletic Bilbao have outplayed Barcelona several times without parking the bus Real Madrid have limited Barcelona's chances in the last few matches. Celtic is, i believe, a better club than Rayo Vallecano, Valencia, and Athletic Bilbao.
Celtic fans taking the highroad here, really? You parked the bus and got lucky, scored two from couple of chances, and Barca scored only one from about 17 on target with two posts. Be happy that you won, you played great, but don't come here saying that you didn't have luck on your side.
Messi doesn't press or defend at all this season, he seems to walk around the pitch while all the la masia acolytes bust their chops hoofing and puffing up and down the pitch ready to pay every final ball into messis path when messi turns on the jets and goes on a hero run Ronaldo is much better still performs at a high level without everyone working for him
AS reporting another dispute between messi and villa Messi apparently upset villa didn't pass enough final balls To him, like the other la masia drones are trained to... Expect to see Villa benched again soon, replaced by total footballers like Cuenca tello etc and other assembly-line indoctrinated tiki taka drones
I asked it before but does someone know a publication with all La Liga assists and other stats of the past decade? Like that document with all statistics of the past 20 years in the Premier League.
Where in my quote did I say we didn't have luck on our side? comme can we have these posts moved to a different thread please as they are cluttering up this one and not on topic
Almost 1.6x effectiveness relation to playing time. That is some stat when you consider that Messi gets less service, gets the ball in harder places, is marked more, scores more individual goals, takes less chances, creates more, assists more, participates in buildup more.
My last say on the matter as there are various weird stats flying all around the place (like Celtic having only 11% possession): Celtic - Barcelona 2:1 Possession: 28% vs 72% Shots: 5 vs 24 Shots on goal: 4 vs 14 Source: http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2013/matches/round=2000347/match=2009541/index.html Celtic did have luck, but Barcelona had the referees, so I say was even in the end and Celtic with a fully deserved victory. --- Fully expect Barcelona to lose next week in Moscow (I thought that would be their only group loss).
You didn't ask for examples of Barca getting defeated. You asked examples of Barcelona getting restricted and outplayed.
You can't man mark a player for 90 mins. Specially if you are playing 100% zone defense. Your criticism of him being open, on a rebound shot that came from an great passing sequence inside the box is absolutely ridiculous. Nope. It wasn't a foul. Don't try to justify it by bringing up other mistakes. There have been bad calls against Barca too you know. 2 wrongs don't make your point. And Song's foul before his sub wasn't YC worthy either if that's what you mean. Ronaldo's 1st half was actually atrocious. Bad shots, dispossessions, and misplaced passes (not tough passes mind you). He improved a bit in the 2nd half.
Do you actually realise that nobody actually cares abt this nonsense you keep preaching. Now you are saying Messi gets less service blah blah blah. His team mates must real hate him if with average of 70% ball posession they don't service him. Pathetic
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but in after-match summaries, analysis and so on the general consensus is that a) Song should have seen red; b) Mascherano fouled the last man (automatic red card offence).