Off-Season Player Rumors & Movement 2013

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  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IMO the problem isn't all with Freddy (A lot of it is), it's that Freddy's Skill Set doesn't translate well into MLS due to the physical nature of play. Teams like Houston and SKC will knock Freddy off of the ball and basically mark/bump him out of the match. The same thing happens with other teams who have strong, physical & athletic players in midfield. When he plays against teams who have players that are more technical (like RBNY, & TFC who have a lot of European Players) he gets more time on the ball and tends to flourish. Maybe the FO should get a BIG, strong, Athletic CM to patrol the middle of the park. This could give Freddy the space he needs to be effective. This MF would also be a sort of enforcer as well, a player that can dish out some tactical punishment when the Houston's and SKC's of the league attempt to bully our troop of Smurfs.

    One the other hand some players just can't play in MLS due to the current emphasis on Speed, Athleticism, and Strength in the league by the majority of the teams.
     
  2. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Going off this, though I haven't watched him much at Columbus, does anyone know if Tchani would be available/is worth picking up? I had a mancrush on him when he came out in the draft, and he would add much needed size to the team.
     
  3. UnionDues

    UnionDues Member+

    Aug 16, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These changes are not sufficient in my mind. This team is just not good enough with the players on the roster. More needs to be done then just adding a striker and finding a creative midfielder. There is no defensive depth. The midfield needs to be completely blown up. Most of the forwards should be traded or cut. We need a veteran goalkeeper. We're fundamentally weak in every area other than defense, and even the defense was only a little bit better than average this year, which isn't saying much considering Hack's 4-5-1 is a permanently parked bus.
     
  4. TonyClarkDOOP

    TonyClarkDOOP Member+

    Jun 18, 2010
    Oxford, United Kingdom
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can someone provide a credible link to these Crouch talks. I couldn't find any off google typing "Peter Crouch to Philadelphia Union." Not that our handy blogs and unofficial sites are not reliable, but anyone could make a Union site. I could make one and say "Robbie Keane rumored to the Union, from a reliable source.*"


    *PS3
     
  5. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    coughOKUGOcough
     
  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, but he doesn't have enough bite (yet).......... I'm thinking more along the lines of a Jeff Larentowicz style at MF, without the Ginger Ninja Temper though.
     
  7. UnionDues

    UnionDues Member+

    Aug 16, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't understand why so many here think he should return to CDM. I think he's better at CB than he was at CDM, even though he claims that it's not his preferred position. A lot of other guys have gone down a similar path.
     
  8. trzee

    trzee Member

    Sep 5, 2007
    Aston, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm in your camp with this reaction too, but for some different reasons. I'll focus on just one in this reply.

    When you watch the Union approach the final third, and some other teams like NYRB for example do this too, you see the forward or midfielder play the ball back as the side defender runs up into the play and gets wide toward the touch line. This "get the side defenders up to provide width" tactic is implemented by both NYRB and the Union, and I think it is costing both teams a great deal of scoring chances because of the inherent sacrifices in such a strategy. (I'm not saying this wouldn't work better for other teams. I'm just looking at these two teams.)

    So what are the sacrifices with this strategy? Well, when you hold the ball up to play it to a late arriving side defender or wing back, your forwards have to stop their runs and opposing defenders get an opportunity to communicate and mark everyone up. Even with great side defenders, that just makes everyone's job harder. You can still get your SD forward into the play without holding play up for them to arrive, routinely. With a true winger on the pitch, which neither NYRB nor Philly have right now, that player can provide width immediately without the hold up.

    Why is that so great? Well, for one, the defenders don't get any extra time to clear up their marks in this scenario, because forwards can continue their runs more frequently. You also get the prospect of early crosses, low or high, where our forwards height isn't an issue, because the speed from still running provides them with space. It's more up tempo so you can't run this constantly, but to have the option keeps your opponents off balance. A team like the Union could go more up tempo because we are so full of youngins, or so one would think. Maybe stamina is an issue for some. This isn't every single play, mind you, but it becomes part of your attacking options and you become far less predictable than currently constructed. In sum, what I am saying is, the SD getting into the play thing really isn't an adequate substitute for a more versatile winger midfielder. It handicaps the offense and it shows. A winger with pace, dribbling ability, and crossing ability would do wonders.

    So for as much as I'd like a new LB, a veteran GK, a target man, and a better a-mid. I'd really like to see us prioritize the target man and a winger, preferably on the left. With just those two pieces, we could have a different attack all-together next season.
     
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  9. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Repp'd. I've been saying this for a while. The Union have no true winger, especially with Marfan forced into the middle. A winger should be top priority alongside a target man.
     
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  10. UnionBulldog

    UnionBulldog Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Ridley Park
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What if Soumare earns the other starting CB slot over Okugo? Do you then just sit Okugo on the bench or do you slot him back to where he likes to play? I definitely agree that he has played better for us as a CB, he has played well at CDM for the national teams he has been a part of, particularly the U23s this past year. Also for the Union he has had a hard time getting on the field as a CDM primarily because of Brian Carroll. Now it could be a mute point if something where to cause us to lose Valdes but lets just hope that doesn't happen. If we keep Valdes and Brian Carroll, Soumare earns the other CB slot it will be an interesting position battle between BC and AO unless we play both. BC is not flashy or very good offensively but he is a solid, smart and savvy player that does a lot of little things the right way. I don't want to see him leave but if the Union decide to go with 1 CDM formation and that is Okugo Carroll makes for a good trade option.
     
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  11. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why? Simple ... clearly we here on BigSoccer know better than the Union's coaching staff.

    But seriously, of course he's better at CB than CDM, because you've seen him play in the former position a hell of a lot more than the latter. IMO, his distribution and passing (stats be damned) is one of the best on the team, so to have him closer to the <Rigby> front runners </Rigby> could possibly help the flaccid offense.

    UnionBulldog ... it's "moot" point. ;)

    GRAFITE?!
    http://www.brotherlygame.com/2012/1...ue-soccer-mls-wolfsburg-uae-designated-player
     
  12. UnionDues

    UnionDues Member+

    Aug 16, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would you think that? He's had one assist in his entire career with the Union, and it was this year while playing as a CB.

    I see his distribution as being more valuable out of CB where he can see the entire field. He's not a play maker, but he's good at moving the ball quickly to the guys who are. He's similar to Tim Ream in that regard, except he can actually defend whereas Timmy can't.

    It's probably better for his career if he remains at CB because CDM is a very crowded position in both the league and the national talent pool.
     
  13. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wasn't talking about assists.

    But of course his production this season has been better. His minutes (2230) and games played (27) in 2012 is more than those in his previous two seasons combined (1248 and 26, respectively).

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    Gomez out? Seen wearing the kit of his former club, La Equidad.


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  14. fcobbina

    fcobbina Member

    Aug 26, 2008
    Philly
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dills is right. Okugo's distribution makes him a better fit at CDM than CB. Plus there were far too many times where Okugo was out of position as a cornerback. It's not his natural position.

    If Grafite is a logical option, he would be my number 1 target this offseason. No question. Big enough striker, adept finisher, and a wizard on the ball. I don't care how old he is.

    And I'll post this again, because it's just so awesome.

     
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  15. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Problem re: Grafite is that his contract runs until then end of June 2013. Not that there aren't ways for players to get out of their contracts if they really wanted to.
     
  16. SmashtheVan

    SmashtheVan Member+

    Jan 13, 2009
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty sure that's SOP. Wouldn't be surprised if Zach wasn't wearing Everton gear while training there. It would be a shame to lose a player with some balls like Gomez.
     
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  17. UdiHrant

    UdiHrant Member

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK. It took a year and a half but I'm done. Finished with Adu I mean. He can go. Reading the quote below makes it obvious that the guy STILL thinks he's worth what he's being paid and more and THAT delusion makes him a liability to the club even if he does manage to sting together a few nice passes next year...

    "By 23, right now, I would have loved to be playing in a top league in Europe, but it didn't work out that way," Adu said. "Now I'm looking at 25. It's pushed back a couple of years, but not much… Hopefully I'll do better next year, and then go from there."
     
  18. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously ... but you don't have MacMath and/or Hernandez talking about how they don't expect to be back with the Union next season. Shit, there are pics of Adu in Rayo Vallecano gear when he was training with them previously. It could be argued that Kassel/Mkosana/Richter are just here training with them team, and they're wearing Union gear. I get that it's SOP.

    But you missed my point; for a player of Gomez's purported caliber, I'm surprised the Union didn't make a big hooplah about his offseason training plans IF he's part of the team going forward. Along with the "removed nameplates", makes me think this is more than keeping his fitness in the offseason. YMMV.
     
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  19. TonyClarkDOOP

    TonyClarkDOOP Member+

    Jun 18, 2010
    Oxford, United Kingdom
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Im ready for him to be done too. I agree with you that he needs to realize he might not be a top flight player in Europe, however he has a point that Europe is better than MLS (top flight Europe that is). I personally would be happy playing MLS, but i can say that sucking at soccer. If I was good would i want to play for West Ham. yeah.
     
  20. mattylip

    mattylip Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    Jul 22, 2011
    Cherry Hill (127, D)
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Both of you are missing the point. Adu will count against the Union's cap in 2013 so the decision is not to keep him or cut him, but rather what to do about him. As I see it, the Union have three options:

    A. Play him.
    B. Don't play him.
    C. Get something for him by way of trade or transfer.

    Option A could work out well in that Freddy appears to be confronting his player mortality in that he is viewing next season as "now or never". It is possible that the Union could get excellent effort and production out of him much like a baseball or a basketball player entering his last season before free agency. Although only 23, Freddy is not getting any younger and he is clearly looking for European glory and a big pay day. He only gets that opportunity if he performs at a high level in a lesser league.

    Option B is not helpful to the Union or to Freddy. Making him JDG Part II is bad for everyone. A sulking Freddy Adu at practice everyday is bad for business.

    Option C would be great from the team's perspective, but it is unlikely that the team can get anything of real value for him. Even if they can unload him, they likely will bear part of his salary either in real dollars or cap amount. Making a trade for a similarly disgruntled high-priced player changes the problem without fixing it. Plus, if the Union really wanted to choose Option C, they should have played him rather than sit him the last two games.

    I believe that they will (and should) go with Option A. Hackworth needs to get Freddy to buy into the system so that Freddy performs at a high level to increase his value. That's the only "win-win" in this situation.
     
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  21. TonyClarkDOOP

    TonyClarkDOOP Member+

    Jun 18, 2010
    Oxford, United Kingdom
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well that helps a lot. I def missed the point there. Just a frustrating for all parties enveloped, Fans, teammates, coaches, and FO.
     
  22. UnionFreak1

    UnionFreak1 Member+

    Oct 14, 2009
    Tucson, Baja AZ
    Club:
    FC Tucson
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope we sign him just because of that one goal.
     
  23. SmashtheVan

    SmashtheVan Member+

    Jan 13, 2009
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, that was probably one of the worst Bayern defensive lineups in history...I remember watching that game and wanting to shoot myself in the head. ********ing christian lell....but he'll still tear shit up in MLS if we can bag him.
     
  24. EmeraldDawn

    EmeraldDawn Member+

    May 11, 2008
    Brick, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  25. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He could've said that Philadelphia is not a beautiful city.

    The fact that he's even open to a team not named New York or Los Angeles speaks volumes, IMO.
     
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