MLS Attendance Analysis: Week 32

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by edwardgr, Oct 25, 2012.

  1. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you're saying people who would just be hanging out at the EspnZone or Trader Vic's would decide to walk over and buy tickets to a game? The Lakers drew fine when they were in Inglewood because of the product, not the location, and they were doing no worse at Staples when LALive was still a parking lot you crossed to get to the Taco Car Wash.

    Any serious Farmer's Field bump for the Galaxy would come from a player signing, say Ronnie or Chicharito. The people in the Valley or the hipsters in Mid-Wilshere/Koreatown who complain about going 10 extra miles down the 110 will likely come up with some other excuse not to go...
     
  2. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This Farmers Field Fantasy for the Galaxy is absurd. They have a wonderful situation as is. If (and it looks less and less likely every day) Farmers Field got built it would only be useful to the Galaxy for the odd glamour friendly against Barca, Real or Man U.
     
  3. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I totally agree with this, though it would have been pretty amazing to play the MLS Cup final last year there.
     
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  4. Bubba1971

    Bubba1971 Member+

    Nov 12, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry, but people who claim the Galaxy wouldn't play games in Farmers Field are clueless. Equally clueless are those claiming it would draw more than HDC. A game in Carson means no public transportation and hanging out in a parking lot before the game. Farmers Field would mean taking a train to a game and having dozens of places to eat and drink. If you only do a few games a year you don't notice maybe, but I live in the Valley and work downtown, and a couple games a week in Carson is a bit much.

    How many 16 year old kids can't even get to games now?

    By the way, AEG just announced they were paying Metro to double the size of the Pico station.

    http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_21856516/metro-aeg-agree-expand-pico-boulebard-rail-station
     
  5. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    Yeah, public transportation has improved quite a bit in Southern California and is continuing to improve. People from Pasadena that used to go to the Rose Bowl can now take the Gold Line into Downtown/Union Station as an example.

    But even if Farmers Field is built, I don't see that as the home for the Galaxy for quite awhile (if ever). Although in hindsight, I'm sure AEG wishes they built the sss in Downtown.
     
  6. Bubba1971

    Bubba1971 Member+

    Nov 12, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed, the Galaxy won't leave HDC for awhile. But in the Rose Bowl days they would draw 60k plus on the 4th of July. Believe me, AEG is aware of that fact. And that they missed out on about $3 million in revenue at MLS Cup last year.
     
  7. fuzzx

    fuzzx Member+

    Feb 4, 2012
    Brossard
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Montreal's attendance next year should be equal or slightly higher overall than this year.

    There were 5 games at the O this year, vs 2 the next, But 3 of them were 23120, 19223 and 20373, plus poor early results at Saputo were 17112, 12357, 14412, 12085, 15118, 15615 and 18535. All of these should be replaced by Saputo numbers above 19000, if not sellouts, next year.

    Theoretical max average in Montreal next year is 25,005.
     
  8. nlsanand

    nlsanand Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Sorry, why do you expect Montreal to sell out (or near sell out) every game next year
     
  9. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Final numbers to come this evening. Will work the team centric data thereafter.
     
  10. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The attendance next season will be about the same as this season was. Not till 2016 will we see a big jump.
     
  11. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is what I have, but it doesn't match MLS, it's off by 1,577 on the total, so any corrections are welcome:

    Team...........G.....Total....Average
    Seattle.......17.....733,441..43,144
    Los Angeles...17.....393,319..23,136
    Montreal......17.....387,124..22,772
    Houston.......17.....356,696..20,982
    Portland......17.....347,446..20,438
    Vancouver.....17.....331,081..19,475
    Sporting KC...17.....329,874..19,404
    Salt Lake.....17.....324,482..19,087
    New York......17.....310,782..18,281
    Toronto.......17.....308,630..18,155
    Philadelphia..17.....306,904..18,053
    Chicago.......17.....278,947..16,409
    Colorado......17.....257,972..15,175
    Columbus......17.....244,752..14,397
    FC Dallas.....17.....240,368..14,139
    New England...17.....238,025..14,001
    DC United.....17.....235,382..13,846
    San Jose......17.....225,977..13,293
    Chivas USA....17.....221,950..13,056
    MLS TOTAL....323...6,073,152..18,802
     
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  12. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    beautiful sight to behold. love it!
     
  13. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see not much has changed around here....
     
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  14. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    someones upset that tampa bay got eliminated from MLS.
     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fanboy, please.

    Anyway, here are MLS' (apparently) final and official numbers:

    Seattle Sounders........17.....733,441...43,144
    LA Galaxy...............17.....393,319...23,136
    Montreal Impact.........17.....387,124...22,772
    Houston Dynamo..........17.....357,251...21,015
    Portland Timbers........17.....347,446...20,438
    Vancouver Whitecaps.....17.....331,081...19,475
    Sporting Kansas City....17.....329,874...19,404
    Real Salt Lake..........17.....324,482...19,087
    New York Red Bulls......17.....310,782...18,281
    Toronto FC..............17.....308,630...18,155
    Philadelphia Union......17.....306,904...18,053
    Chicago Fire............17.....278,947...16,409
    Colorado Rapids.........17.....257,972...15,175
    Columbus Crew...........17.....244,752...14,397
    FC Dallas...............17.....241,390...14,199
    New England Revolution..17.....238,025...14,001
    D.C. United.............17.....235,382...13,846
    San Jose Earthquakes....17.....225,977...13,293
    Chivas USA..............17.....221,950...13,056
    MLS Totals.............323...6,074,729...18,807

    The difference between their numbers and mine are 555 on Houston's total and 1,022 on Dallas' (the difference between one tweeted number for Sunday's game and the story in the local paper).

    I went through Houston's numbers not long ago and found a discrepancy, but there must be another one.
     
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  16. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hey congrats on your title win in the NASL.

    We stole YOUR BANNER! We stole YOUR BANNER!

    We know who we are! We know who we are! We are Atlanta FC! (well silverbacks...sigh)
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay, my numbers match these now. I had Houston's penultimate home game wrong.

    Some number crunching...

    Average by months:

    March......20,783
    April......16,393
    May........18,935
    June.......19,566
    July.......18,119
    August.....18,574
    September..17,893
    October....21,499

    Friday-Sunday: 19,203
    Monday-Thursday: 17,071

    First 161 games: 18,829
    Last 162 games: 18,785

    Home Openers: 21,656
    Home Finales: 20,181

    National TV Games: 20,874

    Montreal at Olympic: 36,498
    Montreal at Saputo: 17,053

    San Jose at Buck Shaw: 10,251
     
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  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't do it and didn't watch it. It wasn't on actual TV, I was at a wedding, and Darek Sharp makes my ears bleed.

    Good for you. I guess that makes you..something. Did you make it back for homeroom on Monday?

    They're so cute at that age.
     
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  19. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And some all-time season-by-season numbers:

    Year...G........Total....Average..Median....High....Low...Wks..Growth
    1996...160....2,785,001..17,406...15,093...92,216...6,013..25....N/A
    1997...160....2,336,889..14,606...12,733...57,407...4,120..28..-16.09%
    1998...192....2,747,897..14,312...11,871...56,404...4,130..29..-2.01%
    1999...192....2,742,102..14,282...12,973...73,123...4,631..29..-0.21%
    2000...192....2,641,085..13,756...12,690...53,844...4,582..25..-3.68%
    2001...158....2,363,859..14,961...13,431...60,500...4,286..24..+8.76%
    2002...140....2,214,978..15,821...14,108...61,202...6,271..27..+5.75%
    2003...150....2,234,747..14,898...13,719...60,142...5,515..30..-5.83%
    2004...150....2,333,797..15,559...13,285...41,979...5,104..29..+4.43%
    2005...192....2,900,716..15,108...12,619...88,816...5,519..28..-2.90%
    2006...192....2,976,787..15,504...14,175...92,650...3,805..29..+2.62%
    2007...195....3,270,210..16,770...15,353...66,237...7,101..28..+8.17%
    2008...210....3,456,641..16,460...15,188...54,045...6,733..31..-1.85%
    2009...225....3,608,359..16,037...14,686...61,572...5,724..32..-2.57%
    2010...240....4,002,053..16,675...15,332...36,386...5,990..30..+3.98%
    2011...306....5,468,849..17,872...17,639...64,140...6,680..30..+7.18%
    2012...323....6,074,729..18,807...18,393...66,452...6,149..34..+5.23%
    TOTAL.3,377..54,158,699..16,038...14,555...92,650...3,805
     
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  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except for England and Germany, is there a league in the world with a better "worst attendance" than this? We played with this a few months back, and the then-last place team (which was NE at the time) drew slightly better than the equivalent MFL team.

    IIRC, Mexico was the only league close. Which would mean MLS has either the 3rd best or 4th best "worst attendance" in the world. Which is another way of looking at our median attendance, which is one of the very best in the world.
     
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  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I had to pick one and only one stat to describe the difference between MLS attendance today and MLS attendance 10 years ago, this would be it.
     
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  22. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lastly, if you like charts:

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  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, 10 years ago, our weekday average was 18,061 (I think Independence Day may have fallen midweek, then, though).

    But thirteen years ago, the weekday average was 8,755. Pretty remarkable since then.

    Here's the progression, actually:

    Year...Weekdays..Weekends..Diff
    1996...13,563....19,712...45.34%
    1997....9,842....15,247...54.92%
    1998....9,659....16,228...68.01%
    1999....8,755....15,514...77.20%
    2000...11,856....14,461...21.97%
    2001...13,862....15,297...10.35%
    2002...18,061....15,286..-15.36%
    2003...11,594....15,378...32.64%
    2004...12,362....15,995...29.39%
    2005...16,185....14,833...-8.35%
    2006...14,629....15,713....7.41%
    2007...16,840....16,752...-0.52%
    2008...14,839....16,807...13.26%
    2009...17,566....15,855...-9.74%
    2010...15,154....16,979...12.04%
    2011...17,700....17,910....1.19%
    2012...17,071....19,203...12.49%
    TOTAL..14,246....16,469...15.60%
     
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  24. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Can we, you know, move April?
     
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  25. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well with Kenn preempting me I wonder what I have left to post :p. Seriously good stuff Kenn, I will still get my numbers up tonight, followed in the next week or so with the team centric data.
     
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