NASL News 2012

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  1. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
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    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
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    United States
    Man, lots of fail in that interview. Not on Downs' part, on the NYT's part.
     
  3. Jossed

    Jossed Member+

    Apr 23, 2011
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    New York Red Bulls
    It was done by a freelancer. And the NY Times probably isn't going to fact check a Q&A on minor league soccer.
     
  4. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
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    United States
    Both of those things are examples of how things have slid over time. The NYT should still hire people with ability, and they should check everything that goes out under their banner. That's just me, I'm old school.

    Not good enough. Not at all.
     
  5. shermanator

    shermanator New Member

    Jul 15, 2012
    Calgary, AB
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    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  6. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not yet.

    Does nobody actually read what other people say around here? Or study history at all?
     
  7. dtid

    dtid Member

    Sep 6, 2010
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    FC Dallas
    How dare you bring facts into this discussion on Big Soccer. For shame. Clearly, you don't understand the native population very well.
     
  8. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
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    United States
    I've been trying. [Kasey Kasem] It's just ponderous, man. [/Kasey Kasem]
     
  9. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
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    Sporting Kansas City
    You still haven't found what you're looking for?

    (too obscure?)
     
  10. SoccerPrime

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  11. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    FC Edmonton signs reserve team players for 2013 season and hires new reserve team coach :

    http://the11.ca/tag/fc-edmonton/

    They will also hire a new head coach by the end of November and have scheduled a Canadian player combine then as well.
     
  12. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would seem to indicate they're planning on 2013. Year three is often the make-or-break year, so good luck to 'em.
     
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  13. Jossed

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    Apr 23, 2011
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  14. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone needs to, amiright?
     
  15. MLSinSTL

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    Columbus Crew
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    Mar 20, 2009
    Ohio - near a city
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
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  16. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    Apr 14, 2003
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    United States
    Thats a really great article. Its fairly open about a coming connection between NASL and MLS. I have no idea what it will be, but it seems to be the prelude to a more formal loaning process.

    In any case, very cool and I hope we get to read more about this type of thing.
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    “We believe if they were playing in our league in front of 4,000 to 6,000 fans, with real men in real competition, that’s a better situation for them.”

    What types of men are they playing with and against now, I wonder?

    (Also, do you know how many NASL crowds were over 4k this year? 37 of 112. Or 33%)
     
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  18. SoccerPrime

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  19. SoccerPrime

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    Apr 14, 2003
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    Why would investors be interested in Minnesota when the Vikings are clearly interested in bringing a MLS team there? Sure, it could be a delayed scheme, sorta like what happened to Seattle with their stadium. But I haven't heard of a Adrian Hanauer in MN yet. It would be a shame if they couldn't make NASL live there, at least until (or if) Vikings FC joins MLS.
     
  20. Whitecaps10

    Whitecaps10 Member

    Jul 11, 2010
    Long Island,NY
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    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The answer to your question is simple. Americans only care about a top division league. People would rather see a bad top division team than a first place second division team. To be successful in a lower division, marketing to families and youth teams is crucial. The location and visibility of the team is also really important. There are few hardcores in the lower leagues, but it is good and bad. It's fine to be a losing team because of it, the gameday experience for fans in the main selling point.
     
  21. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what I've always wondered if Mutiny back in the day won MLS Cup would they be contracted?
     
  22. Whitecaps10

    Whitecaps10 Member

    Jul 11, 2010
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    Vancouver Whitecaps
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    United States
    I don't think it would have. I wasn't a soccer fan back then, but I understand that only a new owner would have saved them. There were rumors at the time that the Glazer family would take over the team, but that didn't happen. If MLS still had a Tampa team, I would be a fan of them as I really like the Lightning and the Rays. On the Stars situation, the main problem has been the location. Blane is pretty far from the Metro area. The Stars have done very well considering the situation has been almost spartan for 5 years now.
     
  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've covered this, but

    ( a ) There's no guarantee the Vikings' supposed "interest" is actually sincere (i.e. wasn't just a carrot to help get them their stadium).
    ( b ) There's no reason an actual, bona fide owner couldn't take over the current D2 team or create one that was so substantial that it would have to be included or accommodated in whatever the Vikings eventually decided to do. The only thing actually stopping that is the fact that, financially, lower-level soccer in Minnesota hasn't been viable for many years.

    Considering Miami nearly did (and had the best team that year) and were, I think so, yes.

    Some of you people have got to get past this quaint but silly notion that a championship team that flounders economically will somehow get a reprieve because they win. Nobody really cares who wins in a given year.

    Had the Mutiny won MLS Cup, they'd have been an MLS Cup-winning team that was without an owner and was stuck with a craptacular lease, first at Tampa Stadium and then at Raymond James, that made it incredibly difficult to be financially successful.

    I know some fanboys think you can just wave your hand and magically "convince" people to re-do financial arrangements and TV contracts and stadium leases, but you can't. Winning MLS Cup - which is still not a big deal - would not have staved off contraction for the Mutiny, most likely. And it would have been unlikely to shake loose a new owner from the underbrush.

    That has not been the main problem, and, no Blaine is not pretty far from the Metro area. It is 18 miles from Minneapolis City Hall to the NSC and 20 miles from St. Paul City Hall to the NSC. And when the Thunder played in (basically) downtown St. Paul - 3 miles from the state capitol - they didn't set the world afire with crowds, either.
     
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  24. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea but if Glazer bought the team wouldn't the lease be waived sinced he owned the Bucs?
     
  25. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What does it tell you that Glazer didn't want the team anyway?

    The lease would have been between MLS and TSA. Glazer probably could have been successful in forging a new lease, but the fact he didn't try should tell you something.

    Well, it should tell normal people something. I can understand if it doesn't tell you anything.
     

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