Obama Failure Thread Part IV

Still waiting on the explanation for Companies in Nancy Pelosi's district get Obamacare waivers? Especially, when Mrs. Pelosi said it was landmark legislation. How can a representative let companies out of such important legislation.

Some of you scoffed at Obamacare waivers? So, they don't exist?

 

And when my insurance cancels my coverage when I get sick, do I just get another provider?

 

Did Vfish immigrate here from Fantasyland?

 

If you own your coverage why would it be cancelled? How about this....

6. If you get sick your insurance can't drop you if you recover.

Happy?

 

What about people who don't recover? Are the individuals dropped and then reinstated, or are they dropped after the illness ends?

 

http://blog.sfgate.com/djsaunders/2011/05/17/nancy-pelosi-district-hauls-in-obamacare-waivers/

A pelosi spokesperson handled this. And these waivers end in 2014. But you don't want to know about The ACA.

 

Maybe Scandanavia? Which might seem like Fantasyland if you're surrounded by a bunch of anti-education, anti-insurance minded people.

 

That wasn't the problem before the ACA passed. The problem was insurance companies dropping coverage when people got sick. How does deregulation solve this better than the ACA does?

 

You may find this shocking, but it isn't just Pelosi's district that are getting waivers, it is every congressman's district where companies are getting waivers. You may also be shocked to discover that the waivers are not permanent, but are just until 2014 when they will expire and the companies will need to be fully compliant.

 

They remain on their plan. Duh. We are taking about insurance. Your auto insurance can't drop you until it fixes your car.

 

You've clearly never been, or known anyone, that is a Geico or Progressive customer.

 

Bullshit, but if you want to put in writing that insurance companies can't drop you once you get sick that is fine with me.

I find it funny that I proposed a radical plan and you guys are nit picking on superfical strawmen.

 

I am a Geico customer. Perhaps if you weren't such a shitty driver your car insurance experience wouldn't be so sour.

 

We do have it in writing. It's called the Affordable Care Act.

 

Are you unaware that companies were dropping sick people? It sounds like it.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1856528/lawmakers_want_insurers_to_stop_dropping_sick_people/

The ACA, flawed as it is, didn't emerge from a vacuum. There was a reason it was a hot issue in 2009. And if Obama let it slide, you would be hitting him on that, too.

 

Once Obamacare is up and running employers will choose to pay the fine. Is not a stat. It is common sense. The fine will be less than what they are currently paying for healthcare? That is a fact. Once Obamacare is up and running - they will have a safety net. Pay the fine which is less - employees will have healthcare through Obamacare. That does not imply Obamacare won't help. It implies that employees will have insurance through one of the Obamacare exchanges.

The other statsare current. They are unlikely to change much before Obamacare is implemented. They will probably get worse.

If you saw my post on the CBO - if the Bush tax cuts aren't enacted for everyone, defense cuts restored to the budget, payroll tax holiday extended, unemployment will be 9.1 percent and GDP for the year 1.7. Now I don't have an economics degree, but that will probably last until 2014 when Obamacare is Implemented .

So the 23 million number is likely to grow, not go down next year.

 

And why did they celebrate it in the ********ing Olympics opening ceremony?

 

I alternate between abject terror and slightly-less-abject terror. I do occasionally comfort myself at the altar of the Our Badass God of Election Predictions, but it never lasts.

 

I knew Mrs. Pelosi wouldn't let her constituents not take part in landmark legislation.

 

Don't know. Some left wing liberal movie producer was in charge I guess.

 

I already said that should be illegal. At the same time I know lots of people that got seriously ill, recovered, and still have insurance. I know none that were dropped when they got sick. TBH, in the current system I'd rather take my chances with an insurance company that I can sue than in unelected panel appointed by an unscrupulous politician.

Again, I am not really interested in rehashing old debates on how crappy the current system is or how incrediably crappy the ACA is. I am interested in discussing ideas that might actually work in the real world, so I threw out some ideas.

 

I assume you mean me and not Nate Silver, right?

 

Read "The Wisdom of Crowds".

 

Emigrate. Whatever.

 

I think it is called the IFAB board.