Santos Futebol Clube, Parte IV [R]

Bakaman · Aug 17, 2012

Damn I love him so much. What a goal, what a game... But I can't help it but worry that we depend on him so much.

Also, Bruno Rodrigo, David Braz, Durval, Juan and Adriano all deserve to be fired. A good slap in the face would be great as well.

Emperor Adriano · Aug 18, 2012

Crazy game was nice to see the big three back playing. Rafael is amazing also, he had a big save in the second half. Hopefully Neymar has enough energy for Corinthians this Sunday.

NotreDameFlamengo · Aug 19, 2012

This is a hell of a game. Neymar is growing a lot as a player in terms of his understanding of the game.

Emperor Adriano · Aug 19, 2012

Happy with the win but Corinthians outplayed Santos. Its just frustrating when we have two good tackling midfielders adriano and Arouca but see Douglas and romarinho dribbling through each of them especially in the first half. Watching Neymar is always fun not only because he is great but hes a team player who makes a honest effort to improve each week. Ganso barely moved today again I'm not going to over react I just hope he comes around.

Socratinho · Aug 20, 2012

I don't think they outplayed us to be honest. It was even across the board in my eyes. Like you said, Douglas and Romarinho were getting through easily in he first half, but they were both peripheral figures for most of the game.

I actually thought Ganso played well. It wasn't any Hollywood stuff, but he kept possession well, conducted attacks (look at that great pass to Neymar for Andre's first goal for instance), and even came back and defending. No wonder the crowd was cheering him when he came off.

I would have preferred to win without that woeful call on Andre's second goal, but such is football.

Really looking forward to the Recopa this week.

Bakaman · Aug 20, 2012

For me it was a game of two halves; Corinthians was better in the first, while we dominated the second. Anyway, those three points are VERY welcome.

Bakaman · Aug 22, 2012

I'm suffering from the same symptons that made me spend a month in the hospital last year... I suppose I'd be back there soon if this keeps up, so I may be absent for some time. Keep the place tidy while I'm away ok?

Chicago Hawkeye · Aug 22, 2012

Bakaman said: ↑

I'm suffering from the same symptons that made me spend a month in the hospital last year... I suppose I'd be back there soon if this keeps up, so I may be absent for some time. Keep the place tidy while I'm away ok?
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That doesn't sound good at all. Take care of yourself.

Emperor Adriano · Aug 22, 2012

recopa time can't wait

Mengão86 · Aug 22, 2012

Get well, Bakaman.

celito · Aug 22, 2012

Get well Baka. Hope to see you back here.

Socratinho · Aug 22, 2012

Get well soon, Baka.

The game tonight was even, but we really should have had 1/2 away goals.

Catracho_Azul · Aug 23, 2012

Get well soon Baka.

Chicago Hawkeye · Aug 23, 2012

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The game tonight was even, but we really should have had 1/2 away goals.
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Very disappointing not to put at least one up, they had some great chances.

Chicago Hawkeye · Aug 23, 2012

As an outsider I find this Recopa thing very strange. Why does the winner of the inferior tournament get to play the winner of the superior tournament for a trophy?

Emperor Adriano · Aug 23, 2012

Chicago Hawkeye said: ↑

As an outsider I find this Recopa thing very strange. Why does the winner of the inferior tournament get to play the winner of the superior tournament for a trophy?
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They have the same thing in Europe plus there could be arguments that Universidad has been the best team in South America over the course a year, year and a half. Not my opinion but they have to be in the discussion. Mostly for money is the answer but the recopa matches are always really good. I enjoy the Sudamericana as well though.

Emperor Adriano · Aug 26, 2012

Neymar amazing once again really good win against Palmeiras.

Chicago Hawkeye · Aug 27, 2012

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Neymar amazing once again really good win against Palmeiras.
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I was only able to see highlights, but his free kick goal was incredible. Santos now has a five match unbeaten streak and a couple matches against lower tier opponents coming up.

Muurad · Aug 27, 2012

Bakaman said: ↑

I'm suffering from the same symptons that made me spend a month in the hospital last year... I suppose I'd be back there soon if this keeps up, so I may be absent for some time. Keep the place tidy while I'm away ok?
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Get well soon man, Thoughts and prayers are with you brother.
Hope to see you here brand new with news of us cementing our top 4 place and challenging the title race.

Chicago Hawkeye · Aug 28, 2012

There is an article up at Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/anderso...star-neymar-be-paving-the-road-to-bankruptcy/) that argues that Neymar is spending himself towards bankruptcy and also likely earns a total of approximately $8 million per year, not the $18 million figure being reported by the Brazilian media. The article also says that Santos may be encouraging some of these purchases to keep him happy in Brazil.

Is Brazilian Soccer Star Neymar Spending His Way To Bankruptcy?

There’s no question about how talented is Brazilian soccer star Neymar. A sports prodigy in his own right, Neymar is not only the most celebrated athlete in Brazil these days, but he’s also the country’s hope of winning the 2014 FIFA World Cup, which will be hosted by the South American nation.
Described by no less than Pele, arguably the greatest soccer player in history, as a “technical marvel, a wizard with magical feet,” Neymar is, at the tender age of 20, at the top of his game. But Neymar’s talents while playing don’t seem to apply to his finances–he is certainly earning the kudos and piling in cash, but he’s also blowing most of it.
Just in about two years, Neymar reportedly bought a $750,000 triplex and a $2 million mansion in a gated community, both located in the Northern Coast of the state of Sao Paulo; a $150,000 flat in Sao Paulo, capital district, and aPorsche Panamera Turbo, which came with a price tag ranging from $400,000 to $550,000. He also gave the 18-year-old mother of his only child a penthouse worth about $1 million in Santos, plus $15,000 per month in child support. But the icing of the cake was his purchase of a ridiculously expensive second-hand Italian yacht, which cost him a reported $8 million, not to mention its maintenance expenses of roughly $120,000 per year and an average decrease in value of 5% to 10% by year, according to people familiar with the matter.

Although he didn’t place in the list of The World’s Highest-Paid Soccer Players, released by Forbes in April and topped by David Beckham, Neymar is taking home a salary of about $4 million annually from Santos, the Brazilian club which has him under contract through 2014. Thanks to sponsorship deals with the likes of Nike (worth $1 million per year) and Red Bull, besides a handful of other Brazilian companies, Neymar banks another $4 million off the field, putting his total annual earnings at an estimated $8 million, according to Forbes’ sports writer Christina Settimi. That’s much less than the amount taken home by more established soccer stars such as Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messiand even Neymar’s countryman Kaka, all of whom spend accordingly to their income (By the way, Beckham prefers to rent a yacht when he is on vacation.)
And in spite of certainly being a respectable sum, it’s not anywhere as near as the $18 million in annual earnings that the Brazilian media has attributed to him recently*. Besides, Neymar only began to make that sort of money just a while ago, when herenegotiated his contract with Santos, and he is yet to achieve the level of bankability that would allow him to buy expensive toys such as a yacht.
“No doubt he’s probably overspending,” Settimi says, also noting that his club could have something to do with that. “I wouldn’t put it past Santos to be supporting the behavior to keep him there. One of my UK sports sources says they want to keep him from going to Europe and have been bending rules to make him happy.”
Forbes’ senior editor Kurt Badenhausen agrees, but also points out that Neymar is just in the beginning of his career. “Neymar is on the upswing and will be making good money for another 10+ years,” Badenhausen predicts. “It is still a little disconcerting though.”
As disconcerting as it is, athletes and money has always been a bad mix. Between 1985, when Mike Tyson made his professional debut at age 18, to his retirement two decades later, the boxing star made somewhere between $300 million and $400 million.
At the height of his career, a single fight was worth $30 million. But during that time, Tyson bought mansions, cars and Bengal tigers. In late 2002, he walked into a Las Vegas jewelry store and bought a $174,000 gold chain with 80 carats in diamonds. Eight months later, Tyson filed for bankruptcy, accumulating debts of about $23 million.
Other prominent sports figures like NBA all-star Antoine Walker, who made more than $110 million while he was in the league, and Evander Holyfield, have all gone bankrupt as well.

To keep things at home for Neymar, former Brazilian soccer star Romario, who played a vital role in Brazil’s winning of the 1994 FIFA World Cup, was arrested in 2009 in a child support case involving his first wife. At the time, Romario’s debts totaled almost $5 million.
One exception to that rule is Ronaldo, another former Brazilian soccer star who holds a 45% stake at the 9ine Sports and Entertainment agency, a company with deals outside mainstream soccer, of which Neymar is a client. The UK-based WPP Group owns another 45% of the agency and Brazilian entrepreneur Marcus Buaiz has the remaining 10%.
Thanks to 9ine’s strong presence in Brazil and other business ventures, Ronaldo’s net worth has been estimated between $200 million and $250 million, and counting. Perhaps he can teach Neymar, who’s expected to be motivated and play at his best by the time of the next World Cup, a thing or two about being financially responsible.
CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article cited the price of a Porsche Panamera Turbo bought by Neymar at $150,000. However, the actual price of such a luxury car in Brazil ranges from $400,000 to $550,000.

*There have been reports in the Brazilian press about this article suggesting that Forbes’ estimate about Neymar’s earnings is lagged, mostly due to recent reports in Brazil that put the soccer star’s total earnings at about $18 million per year. We have crunched those numbers, and after talking to sources both in Brazil and in Europe we came to the conclusion that an $18 million annual salary for Neymar is way above reality (as it is mentioned in the fifth paragraph). We stick to our estimate about his earnings on and off field at around $8 million annually.
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Emperor Adriano · Aug 30, 2012

The match vs bahia was all kinds of bad really disappointing to get beat by Bahia at home. Not to blame one player but Ganso missed chances and really did nothing to create not saying he didn't have a few good passes in the midfield but barely anything. Patito didn't really get going until the 2nd half either. Defense was horrible Bahia should of scored a goal in the 1st half but they got two in less than 5 minutes in the second half.

Bakaman · Aug 30, 2012

.... Back! This time I only spent one week in the hospital, since they already knew exactly what had to be done, being a replay from one year ago... Feeling much better right now (sure feels good when it doesn't hurt to breathe!) . Same old, my rhinitis + asthma + thalassemia+ dry weather in São paulo all combine into one tough Megazord mofo of a pneumonia. It's revolting that even if I do all my treatments religiously, there will still be occasions where I will just get ill again without a choice, but oh well I should be fine as long as I don't breathe too much Either that or I move from São Paulo, to a more rural area...

... I was happy with our win against Corinthians and Palmeiras, but this loss to Bahia was such a huge kick in the nuts for our momentum. I still believe we can reach the Copa Libertadores and I thought that these classico wins would be teh boost we needed to rush for the top 4... How the hell did we manage to concede 3 times in 13 minutes against Bahia at home anyway?!? On a plus note, Neymar's passing is improving tremendously, specially his crossing.

And Ganso received one of Vila Belmiro's specialties: chuva de moedas! Coins rained on his head to remind him thyat we know what's really important for him... He won't be here for long, we will have to settle for the best bid we have (probably São Paulo), and move on. So sad that it had to end like this, I still remember myself calling him a God after that 2010 Paulistão win, when he refused to leave the pitch... Yet right now I feel pissed just by looking at his face... Truly a shame

celito · Aug 31, 2012

Chicago Hawkeye said: ↑

There is an article up at Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/anderso...star-neymar-be-paving-the-road-to-bankruptcy/) that argues that Neymar is spending himself towards bankruptcy and also likely earns a total of approximately $8 million per year, not the $18 million figure being reported by the Brazilian media. The article also says that Santos may be encouraging some of these purchases to keep him happy in Brazil.
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I read that article too. It's an incredibly dumb article. At the end it says, Neymar is young and should earn a lot of money in the future, so basically he will probably be OK. Just an example of an article that in the end says absolutely nothing.

celito · Aug 31, 2012

Bakaman said: ↑

.... Back! This time I only spent one week in the hospital, since they already knew exactly what had to be done, being a replay from one year ago... Feeling much better right now (sure feels good when it doesn't hurt to breathe!) . Same old, my rhinitis + asthma + thalassemia+ dry weather in São paulo all combine into one tough Megazord mofo of a pneumonia. It's revolting that even if I do all my treatments religiously, there will still be occasions where I will just get ill again without a choice, but oh well I should be fine as long as I don't breathe too much Either that or I move from São Paulo, to a more rural area...
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I heard the humidity level in SP has been really low this winter. Below 20% which makes the effect of pollution even worse. Glad to hear you are doing better.

Socratinho · Sep 3, 2012

Bakaman Glad to hear everything went well!

With the latest loss, I think the time to question Muricy is here. There is no reason for the team to look so inept just because Neymar isn't playing. I mean, this was Sport. Sport! Winless in 11 and we just turn up and hand them 3 points.