Fire Warzycha, 2012 Version 1.0

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  1. DGA57

    DGA57 Member

    Jun 17, 2002
    Dublin, OH
    But then we would have missed another Kamara highlight reel finish. Or is it lowlight non-finish?
     
  2. SourCream&OnionUtd

    Nov 19, 1998
    1-0 to KCBus. It reminds me of a situation two seasons ago where Wolves went to the Emirates, battled and scrapped and hung on for dear life and it was 1-1 in stoppage time. Then substitute Andy Keogh spots the keeper off his line and tries a Beckham/Xabi Alonso shot from midfield. Arsenal go up the other end and score, 2-1. Game over.

    Keogh never played again for Wolves. That's how inexcusable it is to try s**t like that.

    Arrieta will have rightfully gotten an earful from Bob about it. In a way though, there's a silver lining there because no matter how incredible Arrieta's goals were, there is something for him to think about.
     
  3. Kayak

    Kayak Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Columbus
    I agreed with you at the time of the play and I still do. However I also don't know what was going on with Arrieta at that point maybe his legs were a little jelloish and his lungs weren't strong. If that's the case I can see him thinking these two defenders are going to close me down but if I can get the ball to Tchani maybe we can lock this thing up. I really don't mind trying to close out a game like that. Could it have burned us, yes; did it, no. Did we end up needing another goal to win, no; could we have, yes.

    So again for the most part I agree with you but it was Arrieta not Finlay, not Tchani. Arrieta had been on full time, was gassed, he wasn't a guy subbed on to kill the game. He was a guy on tired legs with a tired mind that tried to make a play late he might be able to early in that game but couldn't quite pull off late. I'm not going to get down on him for that and if he felt it was the best move he could make with how he felt and how the pieces were positioned on the field then fine by me and I won't fault him if he feels the same way in the future.
     
  4. ZipSix

    ZipSix BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2000
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Killing the game off" at the corner flag is for cowards and self-professed tactical geniuses. Kill the game off with goals. Try to score.
     
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  5. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure the 2010 Ghanaian World Cup team agrees with you completely on that.
     
  6. Kayak

    Kayak Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Columbus
    The smart play in that scenario is to take it to the corner; not just to waste time but to try to win a corner kick. I'm still fine with the gutsy play though, especially if Arrieta thought he wasn't really going to be able to hold off two defenders for any significant amount of time and the risk reward was on the positive side.

    Either way this thread is getting off tack; so the real questions are:

    If Arrieta completes the pass and Tchani scores should we still fire Robert. Yes.

    If Arrieta takes the ball to the corner and we give up a goal or even goals in stoppage time should we still fire Robert. Yes.

    So there you go it doesn't matter how it played out we should still fire Robert.
     
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  7. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not when you're six minutes deep into stoppage time and shorthanded.

    There's nothing "cowardly" about managing a match, and recognizing time and score. I would call your approach foolhardy. Trying to kill the game with another goal nearly killed off two points.

    There's cowardly, and then there's reckless.
     
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  8. DGA57

    DGA57 Member

    Jun 17, 2002
    Dublin, OH
    Actually, not playing any offense for 60 minutes (including both stoppage times) nearly killed off two points. It's cowardly but that's the way we seem to approach each game now a days; score once and hold on for dear life. :D
     
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  9. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Both arguments can be true. This isn't an either/or.
     
  10. Psycho_Derek

    Psycho_Derek Member+

    Nov 18, 2005
    i don't get it. we can't score for toffee for an entire season, and people think that we can just score at will now?

    we can but dream.
     
  11. CrewV Man

    CrewV Man Member+

    Aug 18, 2011
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Warzycha is the MLS Coach of the Week! Bobby ball rocks! Turned to 11.
     
  12. scornflakes

    scornflakes Member

    Aug 1, 2009
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    MajorLeagueSoccerSoccer.com writers proving, yet again, that they don't actually watch the Crew. 2 goals (read: offensive explosion) and 60 minutes of bunkering (read: great coaching) will get you to the playoffs (read: head coach for life).

    Whee.
     
  13. JayFunkeyFresh

    Jul 10, 2004
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I saw a headline the other day that said "Suddenly, Crew have glut for offense as Arrieta explodes." First, two goals does not a glut make. And then the lede said something like, "Suddenly the Crew's offense is coming into focus." I shook my head and thought about the same as you.
     
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  14. JB the First

    JB the First Member

    Apr 28, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When compared to zero, two looks like a glut. It's all relative.
     
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  15. CrewV Man

    CrewV Man Member+

    Aug 18, 2011
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But they are the experts. They can't be wrong.
     
  16. DAK77

    DAK77 Member+

    Nov 10, 2008
    Merion Village, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Contract extension!!!!!!
     
  17. JB the First

    JB the First Member

    Apr 28, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This just in: Meram is finally responsible
    Who needs goals when you have responsibility?
     
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  18. crewfan_in_columbus

    Feb 25, 2001
    Columbus is home
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the message is pretty clear:

    You score, you sit.
    You play defense, you play.
     
  19. JayFunkeyFresh

    Jul 10, 2004
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know, I want RW gone as much as the next guy, but I don't understand this line of thinking that lambasts him for pushing Meram to play with more defensive responsibility. How is trying to get a player to be more complete a bad thing? Meram already knows how to score and be an offensive threat. His biggest holes have always been his defensive responsibilities and his passing.

    I guess some of you think this points to RW playing Meram out of position, but that argument also isn't really an issue for me.

    Bottom line, this is something RW should be lauded for doing.
     
  20. JB the First

    JB the First Member

    Apr 28, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's just funny that this article plays into the running joke about Warzycha not wanting his players to score and justing wanting them to be responsible. Of course no one wants Meram to be lazy on defense.

    And you're right, if there's one thing Warzycha has done well, it's stressing the importance of defending to guys like Rogers, Ekpo, Meram, and Anor who came in with a tendency to slack off a bit on that side. For me, that has been one of the major successes of his tenure.

    In other words: chill, bro.
     
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  21. cam5fc

    cam5fc Member+

    Sep 23, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But he cuts his nose off to spite his face because he sat Meram right off of 3 goals in 3 games with a club starved for goals.

    While I can respect him on one end for the demand of defensive responsibility, he turns a blind eye to the hot hand at the expense of it.
     
  22. JayFunkeyFresh

    Jul 10, 2004
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't necessarily disagree, it just seems that some posters go a little overboard in trying to almost make up ways RW is the worst coach ever (excluding Nee).
     
  23. hardhead

    hardhead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 2008
    NEO
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I worry about how Higuain's mentality will be received with Warzycha, given he sees himself as primarily offensive. Players with that mindset seem more prone to butt heads with the coach's "total defense" approach--especially if he's going to play MF or holding forward. Here is the quote that has me worried:
     
  24. JB the First

    JB the First Member

    Apr 28, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was this how GBS saw himself before coming to Columbus? I remember him having a reputation for not playing much defense, but I never understood that. He seemed to work just as hard as everyone else.
     
  25. Skeleton Crew

    Skeleton Crew Member+

    Mar 20, 2009
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    The huge difference...

    GBS and that team, played defense further up the field. We didnt play 8 behind the ball until late 2009 thru current. (about the time of the Open cup vs seattle)

    You dont have to be box to box if our midfield would keep their shape and put pressure on the ball.

    I have no stats to back it up but i would venture to say we won more balls on the opposing teams side when GBS was playing.
     
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