Timmay Too: The Chandler thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Lloyd Heilbrunn, Apr 30, 2011.

  1. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
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    AS Roma
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    United States
    +214124124
    I advise all of you to tune into a FCN game. His positioning and skill on the ball is phenomenal. He is a top 3/4 talent in the USMNT pool. Re-watch the Ecuador game, he's the reason Antonio Valencia had a very quiet night and disappeared for the entire game.
     
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  2. BimmerBenz95

    BimmerBenz95 Member+

    Feb 24, 2012
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    FC Barcelona
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    United States
    And he was able to do it at LB a position he has never played in before, he also kept Franck Ribery quiet when playing against Bayern Munich.
     
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  3. BimmerBenz95

    BimmerBenz95 Member+

    Feb 24, 2012
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    FC Barcelona
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    United States
    Just ignore him he is the one who said that Matt Hedges would be a better option than Chandler at RB, a player who I didn't even know until he mentioned him.
     
  4. BimmerBenz95

    BimmerBenz95 Member+

    Feb 24, 2012
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    FC Barcelona
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    United States
    It's only a few and it won't be a problem once he is cap tied in September or October.
     
  5. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, the only thing silly is your constant bashing of Chandler. It's childish...
     
  6. Excellency

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    Nov 4, 2011
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Valencia missed the entire first month of EPL season with an ankle injury he sustained at the end of the 2010-2011 season. His first game back was at the end of Sept and we played them early Oct.
     
  7. Excellency

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    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Dolo did every bit as well against Ribery as Chandler.
     
  8. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Calling somebody middling isn't bashing them. He is average. We happen to be thin at the position so we are jumping at a guy who is the second best after Dolo because Dolo is aging. We are forgetting that the guy isn't motivated to play for the USA.

    You guys are willing to put an unmotivated player on the field for the USA; I am not. I don't think either position is childish. I think it is a difference of opinion.
     
  9. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    he is young. he has a lot of potential.

    dolo is only going to get worse from this point forward.

    he can never be better than he is today.
     
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  10. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
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    AS Roma
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    United States
    He was back for basically one month, he's a pro soccer player that plays everyday, he definitely looked near if not 100% to me live.

    As of right now, I'd say Chandler and Cherundolo are equal in skill, but as the poster above me said, Chandler is only going to get better while Dolo is only going to get worse.

    11/10 2011 Ecuador A- USA Int W 0-1 Off 62 min 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0
    01/10 2011 Man Utd H- Norwich Prem W 2-0 Started 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0
    27/09 2011 Man Utd H- FC Basel UCL D 3-3 Started 0 0 2 1 2 0 0 0
    24/09 2011 Man Utd A- Stoke Prem D 1-1 Started 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
    20/09 2011 Man Utd A- Leeds CC W 0-3 Started 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0
    18/09 2011 Man Utd H- Chelsea Prem W 3-1 On 61 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 0
    14/09 2011 Man Utd A- Benfica UCL D 1-1 Off 68 min
     
  11. az2004

    az2004 Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    the main problem is dolo by 2014 will be older and probabaly well past his prime

    gethhe next guy, his replacement, ready, where it's lichaj or chandler

    cap chandler so he's an option, then pick lichj or chandler in 2014
     
  12. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're moving the goal posts here. None of us are advocating playing a guy who isn't committed to us. What we are hoping is that Chandler decides to commit to us.

    Of course, whether or not he's committed to us doesn't have anything to do with his ability. I'm not going say that Chandler is "world class" (whatever the hell that means) or the "best RB in US history" but it's silly to say that he's average. Perhaps you mean he's an average for a RB starter in a top 5 league. Even by that standard, he's in the top 3 for the US. Cherundolo is getting older and while Lichaj is promising he has a lot fewer starts to his name than Chandler.

    Am I annoyed that he hasn't committed to us already? Absolutely. We really could have used him in the Gold Cup and in qualifiers, and he had previously said on numerous occasions he was committed to us.

    Better late than never I say. If he commits to the US program, then I'll be happy to have him. If he spurns us, yeah, I'll probably be annoyed but I'll get over it. But whether or not he makes the decision I want, that won't objectively change his qualities as a player. Which are certainly more than average.
     
  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    :rolleyes:
     
  14. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
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    United States
    Well, Kicker had TC rated at 3.75 for last season - 45th out of the 71 defenders rated. Average rating for Nuernburg
    Is he average? Maybe, maybe not.
    Some numbers from Kicker, FWIW.
    Kicker had him rated at 3.75 or 45th out of 71 BL1 defenders and 145th out of 211 BL1 all players rated. FCN average player rating was 3.73.
     
  15. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Doesn't sound like you guys are disagreeing that much.

    Anyway, I'm not going to easily scream good riddance to a player who at the very young age of 21 last season was already an average starting defender in the one of the top 3-4 leagues in the world. We haven't had very many (any?) players over the years, regardless of position, that you could say that about.
     
  16. ceezmad

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    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Average in BL is still pretty good right, better that other RB options outside Cherundolo.

    What was Cherundolo rating BTW?
     
  17. ChrisSSBB

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    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
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    United States
    3.73 right above Timmy
     
  18. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Right on the money for average.
     
  19. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
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    Appears to be average for US international BL1 RB's - even when considering the small sample size.
     
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  20. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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    FC Schalke 04
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    United States
    Jones 3.23 compare (Muller 3.23)
    Johnson 3.63 compare (Lahm 3.10, Boateng 3.56)
    Dolo 3.73
    Chandler 3.74
    Williams 3.75
     
  21. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I'm not sure a sample size of 2 can even be called a sample size. What you're basically saying is that Chandler is average if you compare him with one other player.

    An average BL1 defender is still well above average for American defenders. Maybe that will change going forward (Fabian Johnson's addition certainly helps), but so far that's been the way it is. If you're using sports publications as your barometer, our most recent World Cup roster only had one defender (Cherundolo) who was rated around average in a top 4 league, and even he was in a slump at the time according to Kicker. The rest ranged from below average (Bocanegra at Fulham and Onyewu at Newcastle) to among the lowest rated starting defenders in the top flight (Spector at West Ham, Demerit at Watford) to not even being on the radar in a top 4 league (Bornstein and Goodson). And of course, by that time, Cherundolo was the only one left still playing in a top 4 league.

    And once again, Chandler was only 21 last season. At 21, Cherundolo was playing in the second division. At 23, Cherundolo started his first season in the Bundesliga and was rated by Kicker near the low end of their list of starting defenders. But, he gradually improved. I imagine Chandler will as well.
     
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  22. KALM

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    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I mean I suppose it's possible that Lichaj wins a starting spot for Aston Villa next season and turns into an average or above average Premier League fullback, Cherundolo continues to play at a high level for the next couple seasons, Fabian Johnson continues to play enough fullback at the club level to remain an option for us there, and a fourth quality attacker emerges for the US.

    But if any of those four things fail to happen, we're probably going to want to leave the door open for Chandler
     
  23. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, 2 isn't a sample size that you can use for much of anything. Just found it amusing that the two US international RB's in BL1 were right next to each other out of 211 players. The numbers are just something to look at - they certainly don't tell the whole story at present or future.
     
  24. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lichaj was above average in his playing time last year.
     
  25. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Link? :p
     

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