USL Pro attendance thread

Discussion in 'United Soccer Leagues' started by Maza1987, Apr 10, 2011.

  1. soccerFrank

    soccerFrank Member

    Dec 11, 2011
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Rochester didn't even come close to this #......I'm gonna say we had 1000 or maybe less in actual attendance....you could count the seated fans easily.
    It was so bad it wasn't even reported in the paper or in the USL match wrap up.
    I have some pix I'll try to upload this weekend and even take some more at tonights game.

    And we can't use the "excuse" that it was a holiday ,vacations,picnics,we've been using the last 6yrs either, since 2 blocks away at the AAA Red Wings baseball game they had over 10k actual people in attendance.
    The people here caught on about the "D3 perception" our league has , and see how badly the Rhinos have played all season, and couple that with playing teams like Antigua (their so bad, even the Rhinos were able to look decent on the pitch) and Dayton tonight, doesn't do much to draw fans anymore, sorry to say.
     
  2. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    pretty bad news coming out of Rochester, unfortunately of course
     
  3. Jossed

    Jossed Member+

    Apr 23, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    7/7

    Antigua @ Harrisburg: 1604
    Richmond @ Wilmington:3903
    Dayton @ Rochester: 5432 (although probably only a couple thousand actually showed up)
     
  4. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    I saw a few parts of the game online and it looked a lot less
     
  5. Rampage

    Rampage Member

    May 8, 2012
    Rochester has a 13,000 set stadium, including an upperdeck. TV camera only shows the far side and endzone (least populated). It's fair to say the stadium was a third full, meaning about 4,000.
     
  6. bdaly

    bdaly Member

    Apr 28, 2011
    Indeed. Most people sit on the upper deck side, otherwise, you stare into the sun for half the game. I'll maintain that the poster here has some sour grapes for whatever reason. (You can see it from the sarcasm that drips regarding the USL with each and every post. The same poster claimed that the MLS reserves don't even try in the USOC -- as a response to some of the USL USOC runs.) You definitely need to see the upper deck side of the stadium to get a picture in regards to attendance. (The upper deck is sparsely populated, but the lower deck is not.) Saturday's crowd wasn't a bad crowd.

    The 4th of July game was a bad idea. The Red Wings have fireworks, the Rhinos didn't and are farther from the downtown fireworks. They should have scheduled the 3rd, which has been successful in the past.
     
  7. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Code:
    62.1% complete
    Year     Avg   Median    %<1K    %>3k
    2005    1681    1410     20.0%   12.7%
    2006    1764    1472     18.2%   16.4%
    2007    1573    1428     30.6%    6.5%
    2008    1593    1629     25.8%    8.1%
    2009    1579    1289     30.9%    5.5%
    2010    1669    1373     37.8%   18.9%
    2011    2319    1650     30.3%   32.6%
    2012    2672    1572     34.1%   39.0%
    
    Median-33%: 1048
    Median+33%: 2096
    <MED-33%: 31 / 37.8%
    >MED+33%: 38 / 46.3%

    Code:
    Final Numbers
    Year     Avg    Median    %<1K    %>3k
    2005    1680     1457     21.4%   11.9%
    2006    1803     1703     14.1%   11.8%
    2007    1575     1423     28.1%    6.3%
    2008    1614     1629     26.0%    7.3%
    2009    1602     1518     31.8%    7.1%
    2010    1689     1385     35.1%   17.5%
    2011    2269     1449     32.4%   31.0%
    
    There's that drop in median that I've been expecting for such a long time. Despite that, it looks likely that both median and average will finish above last season. Though its possible that the missing attendances would change that.

    Glad to hear from others that Rochester isn't necessarily as dire as reported by one person. And it's nice to see LA's numbers inching upward. But I still don't see how, even with a team in Phoenix, LA can survive very long.

    This week, we have Antigua (2), Wilmington, Harrisburg, Richmond, Charleston, Orlando City, and Charlotte. The Antigua games are the ones being held in Bradenton, right? Whether the median pushes back up again probably depends on Harrisburg. If for no other reason that they're the team that holds all the numbers around the current median. If they can top 1540, the number will go up.
     
  8. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep. Wouldn't be terribly optimistic.
     
  9. Jossed

    Jossed Member+

    Apr 23, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I hope soccerFrank posts back since others are saying things aren't that bad yet in Rochester.
     
  10. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    I am waiting for him to upload some pix

    and of course, we ALL want thing to be good in Rochester
     
  11. soccerFrank

    soccerFrank Member

    Dec 11, 2011
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Yes, I have pix from the Antigua game and the Dayton game I would be glad to post . However, they are from my cell phone and I sent them to my mac, and normally its easy to upload pix I want to insert or send to people, but when I click to "insert/edit image" here it needs me to enter a url addy....so I'm stuck since I just want to upload them into this post, and don't know how to proceed.
    If anyone has a suggestion on how I can upload/insert a few pix into this post, please let me know . It maybe something so simple to do , so my apologizes ahead of time.
     
  12. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you could get them onto Flickr, I think it might be easier. I have my own webspace, so it's not a problem for me.
     
  13. soccerFrank

    soccerFrank Member

    Dec 11, 2011
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Ok here are a few images from Antigua (4th of July)....this is the side that more people sit on(bdaly from Rochester pointed this out in an earlier post) so the opposite side (the sunny side )is generally the side they have showing online/TV which has less people seated. I go to every game , so I've always been a supporter,no sour grapes here....and I went to Lancers games back when I was a kid. So I want the club to succeed and get fans back and enjoying the game.....alot of people got turned off for various reasons I've stated before , so I won't go into it again. Take the pix for what their worth,its just an honest view from the stands. I've always thought they should move the cameras to shoot into this view. People see the games all the time online, so this is just another view.
    Photo07042022.jpg Photo07042023.jpg
     
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  14. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thursday:
    @ Wilmington: 3,358
    @ Bradenton: Likely not much

    Friday:
    @ Harrisburg: ??? (likely over 1,000)
    @ Richmond: 1,641

    Saturday:
    @ Bradenton: Likely not much
    @ Charleston: 4,782
    @ Orlando: 7,216
    @ Charlotte: 1,084
     
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  15. Bluesfan

    Bluesfan Member+

    DC United
    Aug 12, 2000
    Tampa
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    This is not a rip or an attempt to troll, just honestly curious. Are the numbers that Wilmington and Charleston put up accurate? Both clubs have been around for years and have been able to grow their attendance. Both are in smaller markets. Honestly, those two teams along with the Silverbacks in the NASL are great success stories. Everyone can't be an Orlando or San Antonio, both leagues need the rest of the gang to be able to grow over time.
     
  16. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those numbers are definitely accurate. Both teams draw well and are local attractions. They have made strong connections with the communities.
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Hammerheads and Battery really matter to their communities. They are also not in large enough communities for a move upward to be realistic (even though Charleston has played DII for years) or necessarily wanted. But they are prime examples of what can be done in the right situation with the right owner, and shining examples of how lower-level soccer can be in this country. Not everybody can replicate what they have (and Wilmington could use a home that's not a high school football stadium), but they're legit.
     
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  18. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know about Wilmington, but I think Charleston could support D-II if they wanted to. But they would be true poster children for what a D-III team should look like.
     
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  19. Mikey mouse

    Mikey mouse Member

    Jul 27, 1999
    Charleston, SC
    Club:
    Charleston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would say both are acurate. The Battery have switched to a ticket scanning system this year and one of the issues was that the flex season tickets sold before a certain date (prior to the Carolina Challenge Cup), can not be read by the reader so there is a good chance that some of the numbers might be on the low side.

    Having a good ticket sales team are key and you would have thought most clubs would have figured that out by now. Instead too many rely on nostalgia, youth club to magically show up and people just to show up.
     
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  20. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Way to go out on a limb, there.

    As DII continues to grow and evolve, a small market like Charleston would be less likely to be successful in it. Now? Certainly. They have a track record there. They have good ownership. They have longevity. They have a stadium. In 10 years? Not if DII grows up as many hope it will.
     
  21. mbsc

    mbsc Member

    Aug 6, 2009
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Wilmington numbers are accurate. It was the result of hard work over a number of years and the love of the city for the team.

    Wilmington is too small for D-2 (population about 105,000) and probably wouldn't raise attendance numbers to pay for the massive increase in costs. Besides, Charlotte, Charleston and Richmond will always draw better here that Puerto Rico, Edmonton or Tampa Bay.
     
  22. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plus, Bill Rudisil is fabulous.
     
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  23. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't go that far with Charlotte and Richmond. Richmond is still well off its historic highs, and wavering in context of this season. Charlotte...really shouldn't be included at all these days.

    But the strength of the fan bases in Charleston and Wilmington is unimpugnable at this point. There's no doubt both of them draw well, and matter to their communities.

    Wilmington makes a model D-III franchise IMHO, in terms of support compared to size of market. What Wilmington achieves in its community is what other D-III franchises should strive for.
     
  24. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In which case you probably meant 'unimpugnable'.;)
     
  25. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The edit button is your friend. :p
     

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