Monday, 18 June - Gdansk - 2:45 EST Croatia : Spain Referee: Wolfgang STARK (GER) Assistant Referee 1: Jan-Hendrik Salver (GER) Assistant Referee 2: Mike Pickel (GER) Additional Assistant Referee 1: Florian Meyer (GER) Additional Assistant Referee 2: Deniz Aytekin (GER) Fourth Official: Richard Liesveld (NED) Reserve Assistant Referee: Sander van Roekel (NED) UEFA Delegate: Christian Schmöelzer (AUT) UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE) This thread is for all pre-, play-by-play, and post-match discussion of the referee and other officials on the match. Only news and analysis or other facts/information related to the referees and the officiating should be posted here. This is not a team or rivalry thread and will be heavily moderated to ensure it remains that way. Please read the stickied thread at the top of this forum if you have further questions. Thank you.
Sergio Ramos had a nasty challenge on Mandzukic in the 30th minute. Big non-call by Stark - that was a bad tackle and if Mandzukic hadn't pulled out he could have been seriously injured. A penalty and a yellow at the least, but Stark afraid to make the call against group favourites (he was positioned well enough to see the challenge, but the 4th official was right in front of it). Instead hands out a yellow to Croatia for complaining. That said there is doubt whether Ramos didn't get the ball in the process. Nonetheless the attack was pretty reckless.
Wrong. Navas was offside on initial play. The moment he became active in the play (Iniesta's pass) the AR should have signalled for offside and dissallowed the goal. 2 poor non-PK calls against Croatia and an offside goal. Not a good day for Croats.
No you do not understand offside. When Iniesta passes it to Navas he is on and it is a new play. It does not matter that he was off on the pass to Iniesta because he is not involved in that play.
Mass: Whether or not Navas was offside (he wasn't) when Iniesta passed the ball is irrelevant. Jesus Navas was involved in initial play and as such was offside when Iniesta received the initial pass. That could be viewed as passive offside, but given Iniesta passed the ball to him then Navas gained an advantage by being in an offside position.
Well we tried guys. Well, trying to quote the laws to sound smart. However that phrase has a specific application. That is a player in an offside position getting the ball that rebounds off the post/crossbar or a deflection from the defender.
Hehe. Not professionally, but I do sometimes ref kiddie games for the heck of it, that's why I sometimes come onto the ref forum.
And do they have offsides in the age groups you do? If so I suggest you get someone to teach you the offside law ;-)
Hey! When I went through a training for reffing I remember the offside law being slightly different (as in unclear on passive play), where refs were fully allowed to call for offside irrespective of who the ball was played to (a grey area where you freely choosed their preferred option). I guess I just didn't get up to date that they cleared up hose issues Just so you know: We don't need papers here to ref kiddie games, so i don't have any. Besides I'm not crazy stubborn. I also aim to learn and that's why I come here. BTW My local Serbia TV still claims it was offside. Not to mention their banging on the drum on the 2 PK situations. And they hate the Croats SITUATION 1: Ramos on Mandzukic 1. Dangerous play, studs up, disregard for the opponents health, but Navas did at least partially get the ball - nonetheless Mandzukic seems to pull out last minute to avoid injury 2. Seems in the area, but freekick also possible Can't find a film with the second situation.