Löw announces preliminary Euro squad

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by HSV-Jung, May 7, 2012.

  1. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    You really think Hummels is going to like sitting on the bench, thinking he deserves to start, was not out banging some chick after hours and has been fully concentrating on the task at hand? Hoewedes is going to care that Boateng doesn't start and he does? Bender gives a damn that Boateng starts over him? Please.
     
  2. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lampard?
     
  3. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    The "scandal" is irrelevant then.

    At least it should be. Otherwise their offence is worse than Boateng's.
     
  4. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    How exactly?
     
  5. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    The level of malevolence would be baser - and potentially also more harming to the team spirit - than that of Boateng's non-existent infraction.
     
  6. Kleyn

    Kleyn Member

    Sep 13, 2008
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Who said that he "banged" her? They where just having an intellectually stimulating conversation at 2am, I have no doubts about it ;)
     
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  7. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    From what I've read, Boateng was seen with some "model" and some "friends" (probably Ante S. and Josef Fritzl) in a bar on his free day or - rather - night.

    To me, that's a non-offence. Regardless of the player that "commits" it. Even if it's the retarded Schmelzer. Jogi is free to address it, but as I said in my initial post, it should not play a role when it comes to the actual team formation.
     
  8. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Fair enough, that's your opinion. Others would say that he violated a team directive given by the coach and, at very least, showed very poor judgement. Rules are designed to develop team unity. Knowingly breaking rules detracts from that unity. If Loew really feels he has other choices just as good as Boateng he will use them, for two reasons. First, to show Boateng he is not above the team. Second, so that team unity is maintained.

    No one on this board knows what's going in the team or how the others feel about it, so it's rather pointless to take this further.
     
  9. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He can punish him if Boateng (or anyone else) goes against actual rules that are part of the game. What Boateng does on his free day is not part of this or, at least, shouldn't be. Making fuzz about such a trivial matter or actually changing the team based on this would potentially cause more damage than Boateng ever could by going out at night on his FREE (according to Jogi) day. That's simply none of Jogi's business - even though he obviously likes playing such games and enjoys acting as the moral authority. (It's likely that, if the rumours are true, he also plays the authoriative and commanding role in his sadomasochistic practices with Hansi Flick.)

    But yes, nobody knows what's going on in the team and everything about it is pure speculation. That's why I wouldn't want to see Boateng losing his spot due to this incident. Because that would definitely take the issue from rumor/speculation level to a factual one that leads to real consequences which are visible to anyone outside the team.
     
  10. ForeverRed

    ForeverRed Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Most training camps at tournaments have curfews that players aren't allowed to break. Knowing Löw though he probably just left it up to the players to be "responsible". Boateng wasn't and that's why Löw was disappointed.
     
  11. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    It's troubling though that Jogi would set an arbitrary rule which is seemingly not only valid within the training camp but also covers a grown-up person's free time and his private life and that he (Jogi) would then believe breaking the rule equals being "irresponsible".
     
  12. ForeverRed

    ForeverRed Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That's how its always been in NT training camps. It used to be even stricter in the old days.
     
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  13. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Rules like that are set forth so players like Mario Basler don't stay up all night smoking, drinking beer and playing cards.

    If players could be trusted to act responsibly, there would be no need - but as Boateng just showed, they can't, and rules need to therefore be placed.
     
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  14. Dr Faust

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    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    What's seemingly new is that the players apparently feel guilty about their alleged 'misbehaviour' these days; which I consider to be rather pitiful.
     
  15. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I don't think they feel guilty about their behaviour as much as they feel guitly about breaking their manager's trust - and getting caught.
     
  16. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
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    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Boateng most likely does not stay up all night smoking, drinking beer and playing cards - especially not during the tournament. He used his free time and his last day at home to go to some bar and have fun before heading to the training camp to focus on the tournament. That's responsible enough for me.
     
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  17. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    May be reasonable for you and for me as well...but not for Loew, and that is all that matters, here.
     
  18. Donauwelle

    Donauwelle Member

    Oct 10, 2011
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    That Monday was the travelling day and there was a scheduled training in a stadium in Danzig with 12000 viewers.

    To mingle in the morning of that day at 3 o'clock (and to leave at 6 a.m.) ...

    If it would have been a day earlier you would be right.

    Actually - it is grown up people. But Boateng is not really the smartest - and he proved that now. It was clear that she uses it for her own PR.
     
  19. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    I'm questioning Jogi's leadership and handling of the players, his judgement of the situation at hand and, especially, the potential consequences of this misjudgement, i.e. a player possibly (though I consider this unlikely anway) losing his starting spot to a weaker player due to some irrelevant matter.
     
  20. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Depends on his condition during that training.

    That might be true. But that's a private matter and none of Jogi's business.
     
  21. bomber20

    bomber20 Member

    Jul 17, 2008
    As soon as the photos hit cyberspace it was no longer private.
     
  22. Raumdeuter

    Raumdeuter Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If not that the game would be against the best player in that wing, I would have 100% dropped Boateng.

    But how would Low feel if he plays Bender vs Ronaldo and he totally gets owned by Crynaldo costing us the game?

    Can Boatengs wages or match allowance be docked or something? There needs to be a punishment but not sure of what it should be
     
  23. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Private as in non-occupational, not as in non-public.
     
  24. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Castration. After all, his private parts are what caused this hugely disastrous scandal.
     
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  25. bomber20

    bomber20 Member

    Jul 17, 2008
    impossible to separate when one has an occupation as a footballer
     

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