Get Turf Out of MLS

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by clarendon_united, May 21, 2012.

  1. clarendon_united

    Feb 13, 2011
    Northern Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Soccer on a carpet is a disgrace.

    Vancouver, Portland, Seattle, and New England: will be at the bottom of the heap as long as they have it.

    The field on Montreal is laughable but at least they're moving onto grass soon. It's amazing how more people seem to care about pretty streamers and what kind of scarves to put on when it's 80 outside, instead of things that really, really, really hamper the play on the field. You know, the reason we're in the stadium.

    Those 4 places aren't Moscow....don't tell me whatever you know about the Russian league. None of those MLS places have weather worse than Scotland and they do OK.

    Top organizations would get it done.

    Sorry, I forgot that we're MLS fans, and we care more about sponsorships etc. than the sport.

    Scarlet letter of T on Vancouver, Portland, Seattle, and New England.
     
  2. Usmaman

    Usmaman Member

    Jun 22, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    No club in Moscow is sharing their field with an American football team. Football (and precipitation) kills grass. End of story, close thread.
     
  3. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ironically enough, having turf is a competitive advantage for the teams that have it. Other teams that spend millions on aging DPs are afraid to consistently put them on turf fields because they might get injured... Nevermind that study after study has proven that is not the case any longer and that the fear is the result of a period in time when turf was just just carpet and maybe some padding over cement or dirt.
     
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  4. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    Get your stadium built you slacker. The finances your team puts into paying to play in that racoons nest is holding the league back.
     
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  5. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It pains me to say this about DCU, but holy shit how does a DCU fan have the gall to say something about another team's stadium ? .... let alone 4 of them.
     
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  6. lkgf09

    lkgf09 Member

    Jun 7, 2004
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Grass is obviously the best option but unfortunately it's not possible in these four markets and we just have to live with it. And as long as they keep the carpet in decent shape it shouldn't be that big of a deal. I assume most people here have played on turf and it does not have the impact on a game some people would have you believe.

    We have seen astroturf in the early days of the league and that was complete garbage. The stuff we saw in Montreal and in the later years of Giants stadium was a complete disgrace. As long as the turf isn't cut too short and is replaced when it gets beaten down like in the NFL stadiums, it can play just fine.

    We are just gonna have to live with it.
     
  7. eboe

    eboe Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 23, 2006
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What football team is playing in Portland? I don't remember if there is one or not. And the Revs simply need a soccer-specific stadium in order to get grass. It's the whole of Cascadia playing on turf and that seems unacceptable simply because it is supposed to be such a hotbed of soccer yet it is all played on carpet. I would hope Portland could get rid if it's football playing tenant and get some real grass there, the entire area is so lush and green it wouldn't be much of an issue. If Toronto can get rid of the carpet, so can these places. Isn't there going to be a football team doing part-time duty in Houston? And that's grass...
     
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  8. jvilla07

    jvilla07 Member

    Oct 30, 2006
    Houston + NOLA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Turf a competitve advantage? Hardly, since none of those teams have won any titles. That's the ultimate sign of advantage plus I don't have other tangible stats to refute otherwise. Plus isn't Chicago colder (ground and surface) than any of those coastal cities?
     
  9. SAFC Yank

    SAFC Yank Member

    May 15, 2007
    Bellingham, WA
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Portland State plays football at JeldWen, it is mere blocks away, and I don't think they have room for a stadium on-campus. In theory, I suppose Portland and Seattle could still switch to grass. Portland might be able to convince PSU and the city to do it. In Seattle's case, the Seahawks don't want to. In Vancouver, BC Place gets used much of the year for trade shows and the like, so unless they had some way to do one of those portable tray operations, grass isn't feasible for the facility.

    No, it isn't optimal, but the standard of turf is improving. Not the end of the world by any stretch, especially if the clubs and facilities are willing to change it over every four-to-five years.
     
  10. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As noted, PSU uses JeldWen. Portland gets 5.6 inches of rain in Novermber and 5.5 inches in December and only 143 hours of sunshine in that same period (roughly 2.4 hours a day). American Football would just destroy the pitch during that time of the year. Seattle has very similar stats.
     
  11. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounders have won three USOCs, or do those not count any more? :) Also, I'm sure this is a hard concept for a Houston fan, but most expansion teams aren't handed a championship quality team and it takes a number of seasons for them to get good.
     
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  12. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure Portland State football is why grass is a bad idea at Jeld-Wen, but rather the fact that Jeld-Wen is a built into a giant pit that is essentially on top of the water table. So any time it rains, the last place to dry out in the area is Jeld-Wen. Not to mention the river that runs a few feet below the playing surface.
     
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  13. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The stadium did manage to function for a few decades before Astroturf was invented. But I don't know, maybe it was always a swampy disaster.
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps:

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  15. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Pacific NW's climate is great for growing grass, but not great for developing the deep roots that a grass sports field needs.
     
  16. SAFC Yank

    SAFC Yank Member

    May 15, 2007
    Bellingham, WA
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Quite true. Given the regular, gentle rain here, there's no need for roots to go deep.The local civic stadium had grass until about 10 years ago. It would typically host a high school game every Friday night, a small college game every other Saturday. If you played through a small shower, it might hold up. But if there was a game played within a few hours of substantial rain, say, something approaching a half-inch in 24 hours, the place was shot for the rest of the fall.
     
  17. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is Montreal still planning to use grass? Doesn't seem like they have enough time to install the grass and let it settle.
     
  18. looknohands

    looknohands Member+

    Apr 23, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And the "Stupid post of the day" award is hereby presented to you. Please wait until tomorrow to respond and we'll see how long you can keep the title.
     
  19. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oooh lake Jeld-Wen. Or was it still Civic Lake at that time :p?
     
  20. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    I thought stade saputo was always grass...
     
  21. Wazzu Gunner

    Wazzu Gunner Member

    Mar 21, 2008
    Ballard, WA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Your ignorance of maintaining grass in the PNW is duly noted.
     
  22. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's Multnomah Field in 1904. It's doubtful FieldTurf would have helped.
     
  23. DynamoEAR

    DynamoEAR Member+

    May 30, 2011
    HoustAtlantaDMV
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    question tho. Couldn't the Paulson family afford those heat lamp things that many big Euro clubs use?(ex: Arsenal)
     
  24. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    The Swiss, French, Italian, Belgian, Portuguese, Norwegian, Swedish, and Finish First Divisions all say hi.

    So do the Costa Rican, Mexican, and Guatemalan First Divisions if you wanted someone closer to home.
     
  25. SeaFan77

    SeaFan77 Member

    Oct 7, 2011
    Federal Way, WA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    it's not a disgrace, but I do wish it would happen, sounders share with seahawks, husky football, high school football, weekend monster truck rallies, and garth brooks concerts.
    i've walked on it, feels and smells a little rubbery, but a previous poster is right, the texture feels appropriate, and the injury excuse (Beckham), is not very legit.
     

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