Dutch players at home and abroad worthy to be tracked in connection with the Dutch NT - Part 2

According to this source (Kicker) he played 21 games for them (21 Speile) and in those appearances he only has to allow Hummels in front of him. Now this is just one source.

In this source (Bild) he is also noted as one of the best defenders:



Look at number 6 this time. Apparently he has done some things right this season. I understand he can have overachieved in those 21 games and his base level is lower, but we are talking here about a spot for a senior member that went to Bouma. I don't take Bouma serious anymore after all the gaffs in the PSV defense, so why not Brouwers if he has done quite well?

 

Well van Marwijk has pretty much no answers for the left back position. Tofy he was in a a show for one and a half hours and basicly he points out there are 2 kids without international experience:

1. Willems
2. Buttner

Together with 2 players with international experience but have not played on that position for many years or only recently did:

1. Emanuelson
2. Schaars

And oh yeah, Anita also can play there he added. Now I am not sure he mentioned Bouma too, but I probably wasn't able to compute that.

So basically he wants to play one of these players there. This is the group. Of course I immediately wrote an email to the program, but it was not selected. The clowns around the table have not asked 1 relevant question and were more concerned with the self promotion of their stupid CD.

Emanuelson played horrible against Hungary at home when he replaced Pieters. He is not good there. As Drenthe is not good. Schaars pretty much got owned against England but Bertje thought he was not that bad. Schaars was also slow IMO. That's inconvenient against Nani and Mueller.

Now I don't even go into Willems and Buttner. When were they ever tested against international class? Yes against Valencia. What happened with Willems? This is getting silly.

When you don't know what to do, you throw everything at a problem and see what sticks. That's what you do. This problem was clear from the day Gio left. He should have tried out Kuyt, Afellay, de Jong, Mathijsen and all new talents at that position. All left backs that play there for their club are lightweights. The question I send was about Viergever. I want him to be tested on left back. Viergever was the best Dutch defender in the Eredivisie.

Van Marwijk has lost the plot on left back the moment his plan was to go to war with Pieters on that spot. He said today the same. Pieters would have been his nr 1 choice. Braafheid is probably better than all 4 of those names. He outplayed Shakiri against Switzerland. I don't see any of those 4 do that. I get Dick Advocaat 2004 flasbacks at the moment.

 

And Strootman has a knee problem nobody seems to talk about. So van Marwijk is prepared to take an injured player with him. If that knee plays up in the Euro and Strootman is unable to play or underperforms big time as a result of it, van Marwijk is to blame. He is well aware of that problem.

 

Well on one thing I agree with him and that is his hands are not tight to put Huntelaar and RVP both in the team. They also played both against Finland and funny enough were both the worst players on the field. Elia and Luuk de Jong that came on, where a huge improvement. We follow players throughout the year and love to see them both in the team, bit his job is to do what is best for the balance of the team and the final result. There is a pundit on Dutch TV that came with the following line up:




If this would be the line up, I would play Afellay on left back as he is a better player, has even more lungs than Emanuelson and is more robust. I don't care he has not played there. The fact Emanuelson is played at left back means attacking intentions anyway and I have never been impressed by his defensive quality's. I even think Emanuelson was put there at his Ajax years because he was a general good player that could function at multiple positions. That's the same with Afellay. Is also a general good player that can deal with multiple positions. So:



Basically Sneijder will become some kind of Beckam, but then on the left side. Crossing the ball in or giving through passes at both Hunter and Robin.

This is not my number 1 line up, far from it maybe even, but it does provide an opportunity to have all the major players in one team. You can even throw in VDV in DM against Denmark.

 

I said what I said. Braafheid was able to take care of Shaqiri. I have yet to see if the other 4/5 options are able to do that. Emanuelson was horrible against Hungary on the left back. Hungary ... . Schaars got owned against England. Sturridge free chance and with the second goal it didn't look good either. Attacking wise I have not seen him. Pieters was bad in that game also. Willems and Buttner? Well Willems has been owned in pretty much all games defensive wise. Buttner is so low profile that I only have seen him in maybe 180 minutes this year. I still don't have a clear picture of him. Bouma = lol. Anita was not special for Ajax until he was moved to DM. Left back makes him mediocre.

Why do I bring in Braafheid? Would I settle for him? No. Of course not. But he was able to cope with opponents 1 division lower than Germany. Switzerland is a pretty good team. However against Germany he was trashed. What makes us think the other 4/5 options won't? We want to burn that kid for his failing, but reality is who exactly would have done better?

I blame van Marwijk for not anticipating and seeing what we all saw. Pieters and and all the rest are not good enough. He was caught against England with his Schaars move. What was that? That was him exploring options. Creating a plan B. So he now sees reasons to work on them right before the Euro, where the urgency has always been there in the first place. We need an international proven top player there, that we can miss on the front. Kuijt, Afellay, Nigel de Jong. Afellay is the multiple positions player of our Orange generation. Like Cocu was that back in the day. You have players like that. You could put Cocu in as keeper and he would still not let you down. Afellay is a bit the same. However now everybody says, he never played there. Apparently for putting Schaars there the reason gets suspended.

2 seasons. He has played pretty much all games at Excelsior in Eredivisie and stood out so much that national programs payed attention to him, where they normally dismiss the low teams.

Buttner and Willems?

Well, yeah, but his knee problem has been linked as the reason of his weak second half of the season. Strootman will have to be operated before or after the Euro. We basically take an half fit player with us, because he has played a few handful of NT games and European games. Note that the reason PSV failed also against pretty much all top teams was because of the low handling speed of Strootman and Wijnaldum. The reason Feyenoord did so well against top opposition was because of the high handling speed of Clasie. The stronger the opposition, the bigger the pressure, the more important high handling speed will become to football your way out of the pressure, the bigger Clasie will be. Experience will never magically solve natural limitations. I will choose Clasie's natural higher operational speed ability against a half fit, lower operational speed Strootman, that happens to have played some more games on international level any day of the week. Clasie ended up at the top group in many ranking lists and has been maybe the most consistent player in Eredivisie. That's a very important indicator for maturity as well Vagegast.

 

Adam Maher is chosen as talent of the year:





The panel consisted of the following names:

• Bert van Marwijk
• Ronald Koeman
• Frank de Boer
• Youri Mulder
• Jan van Halst
• Phillip Cocu
• Willy Dullens
• Ron Jans
• Wim Jonk
• Johan Cruijff

The previous winners have been:





Now Maher can add his name to this group. Most players on this list have made a good living, so the future looks bright for little Adam. Some have become Oke players, some have become world stars, so enough questions remain what his ceiling will be.

 

I agree Orange14.

Maher was in the pocket of Clasie in the recent AZ - Feyenoord match, but Clasie has already become second in the Election for Eredivisie player of the year:




Third in the Gilette ranking:




First in the Elf ranking:



Only player in top 3 of all 3 lists.

I think the panel wanted to give the price to encourage and honor a very young player of 18 years old.

 

I guess the toes are long. Why not take one more second and scroll up to see who dedicated quite a long post on his achievement in the first place. I don't see others mentioning what he pulls off.

Orange14 makes a correct remark, so I explain how Clasie is already named with other honors and how Maher is only 18 years old. Maher is the biggest talent in the Netherlands. I agree with that. He is not the best player in the Eredivisie. I thought maybe Orange14 misunderstood this. So I post lists to create even more clarity on the matter.

"Hate" is the worst description of someone taking the time to point others out how a player is valued and appreciated. Actually I see Maher and Clasie both in the future midfield of the Dutch NT side by side. Calm down.

 

There is one interesting thing about this discussion. For what spot has BvM selected Maher?

1. For one of the 2 DM spots?
2. For the 1 AM spot?

I am curious to what people think.