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Thanks for pointing that out hadnt realized how weak Flus offense was. 7 gols got them to the top of the 16. Wow. Pretty weak. But thanks that got me inspired for a post at Blog Vermelho. PS: and many didn't emerge as champions.
It's their home scoring record that is abysmal, especially considering the relative weakness of the competition, other than Boca. vs Zamora: 1 goal vs Arsenal: 1 goal vs Boca: 0 goal It's surprising because watching them play it does seem like they are dangerous offensively and their weakness is on defense. But the stats seem to contradict that impression.
A team which did emerge as champion witnessed its offensive production actually fall from the group stage to the mata-mata. In 2011, Santos scored 11 goals over six matches in the group stage: an average of 1.83 In the 8 knockout stage games, Santos scored 9 goals - an average of 1.13. Now, if Fluminense's offense drops further - say, they score 1 goal in every round from now on to the final, and never get scored on - they'll win it all. A pretty heartwrenching way to win the title, but hey, it works - that is exactly how the Spaniards became World Cup champions. Furthermore, there is no guarantee Fluminense's offense will remain modest - it may very well increase. In fact, looking back at the mata-mata scoring records of the Libertadores champions between 1999 and 2011, that has been the case most of the time. The following list shows such cases in bold. The numbers after the club name are for group stage goals and mata-mata goals. 2011 Santos: 11 - 9 2010 Internacional: 8 - 12 2009 Estudantes: 9 - 10 2008 Liga de Quito: 8 -11 2007 Boca: 11 - 16 2006 Internacional: 13 - 11 2005 São Paulo: 16 - 18 2004 Once Caldas: 11 - 6 2003 Boca: 10 - 9 2002 Olimpia: 8 - 11 2001 Boca: 7 - 13 2000 Boca: 14 - 15 1999 Palmeiras: 12 – 12 Boca’s 2001 campaign shows a near doubling of offense from group to knockout stages. Internacional and Liga de Quito scored a “mere” 8 goals in 2010 and 2008 respectively, which is only one more than Fluminense’s 7 goals this year. Both teams upped their output and went on to win the Libertadores. Estudantes went from 9 to 10, and São Paulo had the most prolific scoring of all these previous champions: 16 goals in the opening round and 18 in the final round. Interestingly, your team's offense went down in the 1st time it won the Copa. Once Caldas was known for playing highly offensively the entire tournament. Boca was pretty constant in 2000 and in 2003, and Palmeiras scored 12 goals in both the opening round and the mata-mata. Of course, there is no guarantee Fluminense will now start scoring goals at will; they may lose to your team by two goleadas. But all this proves my point: a meager offensive record in the group stages does not always continue when the knockout stage starts. And in some cases it may go down, while remaining sufficient for a team to... emerge as champion.
Correct; they haven't scored much at home. But as I wrote just now, their offense MAY go up - if they do follow the pattern of previous champions, their offense may go up.
Sure. There is two game plans, one, you come in as close to kick off time as possible. Second, you get there a week or 2 before your game and take that time to acimilate(sp) to the altitude. Also I just read that Santos will be flying in to Santa Cruz (which has no altitude) and will leave there with only a couple of hours to kick off to La Paz. Also, I don't want to hear crap about Altitude. Pele scored this killer of a goal when they thrashed Bolivar back in the day 5-0 I believe. Altitude existed back then believe it or not.. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvo5rJAFtZw"]El mejor gol de Pelé en La Paz Bolivia - YouTube[/ame]
True, but back then there was such a huge difference in talent between Santos and Bolivar, that even the altitude was not enough to affect the outcome. The results from 2005 are probably more significant: At Santos: Santos 6 bolivar 0 At Bolivar: Bolivar 4 Santos 3 I think the altitude was a factor in this case.
I agree, altitude is a factor..... but not more so than the crazy mental aspect that a scary home stadium can do, or the heat/humidity in colombia or brasil. I think mentally has alot to do with altitude too. If altitude was such a game changer, we wouldn't have lost at home vs. Union Espanola who IMO isn't all that. Same goes with Junior scaring us very very much with their chances vs. us in La Paz. All I'm saying is it's a factor.... but nothing more than the ones other teams have when playing at home.
Santos will return to Brazil quite pleased if they score 3 goals there again, given that goals scored in the opponent's stadium is a factor in tiebreakers. I respect this Bolivar side, but I have Santos advancing. Unlike you, I have Nacional ousting Velez, but we'll see.
You should respect Union Española more. They have beaten your side quite a few times in the Libertadores over the last couple of years. Chilean teams are also no stranger to playing in altitude. Nothing in comparison to La Paz, but the Chilean league has two teams that play in stadiums of over 7400 feet.
No, that's not to take anything away from Union! Had that game gone different, we'd be up 2-0 in the first half. Union countered perfect... and made us pay. Like you said, in Chile teams know how to 'deal' with the altitude... IMO the way they deal is more 'mental' than physical. It isn't as much a mental factor as it is for teams in brasil or argentina. Thats why Chile always is able to take points away from our NT at home too. Remember how they ran circles around bolivia in 2009 or 08'? I believe? They won 2-0 in la paz I believe. IMO, Altura is more mental than physical. I'd put it right there with humidity and heat being factors.
A few more stats to consider when Fluminense visits Internacional for what will be a brutally competitive match: - Internacional, who during this Libertadores has played beneath its potential, may find encouragement in its recent defensive performance: it received only 3 goals in the last 10 matches. - Fluminense has a five-game unbeaten streak against Internacional. The Rio the Janeiro side hasn't lost to the Colorados since 2009, in a 4-2 defeat. Since then, 3 Fluminense wins and two draws. - In the 2012 Libertadores, Fluminense has won all its 3 away games. A draw wouldn't be a wholly bad result, as long as it's not a goalless draw. - D'Alessandro is out (for a month) with a thigh injury. Fluminense will not have Wellington Nem, the fast striker whose quick dribble led to Flu's first goal in La Bombonera.
Re: Copa Libertadores 2012 [R] My predictions: Flu over Inter Boca over Union Española Deportivo Quito over U de chile Libertad over Cruz Azul Corinthians over Emelec Vasco over Lanus Santos over Bolivar Atletico Nacional over Velez
Yeah, that little guy was impressive at La Bombonera. He showed flashes of greatness. Does he usually play well, and is he considered a promising prospect overall? I think Flu is most dangerous when their fullbacks open the field. Inter needs to control the fullbacks. If they have to play through the middle they become more predictable. Not having D'alessandro is a big loss though.
I'm back. just to say that I dont want brazilians winning. Specially corinthians (of course). My predictions: Flu over Inter Boca over Union Española la U over Deportivo Quito Libertad over Cruz Azul Emelec over corinthians Vasco over Lanus Santos over Bolivar Atletico Nacional over Velez Peñarol and Nacional (URU) are out (I was rooting for them, specially Peñarol). Now I'm rooting for la U or Atletico Nacional. Beware, São Paulo is coming back next year.(I hope so).
He's been doing well; he's skillful, in addition to simply being quick. And yes, he is very much a promising prospect. He's more of an attacking midfielder who plays as "segundo atacante" and he shined with Figueirense in the 2011 Brasileirão, with 9 goals and several assists, and he won the Revelação award for that tournament (one of several prizes awarded to the best of the best of each Brasileirão in a partnership between Rede Globo and CBF; a coterie of players, coaches, journalists, and former playres vote and elect the winner of each category). Wellington Nem is 20 years old and therefore eligible for Olympic play - and he has been pre-selected by Mano Menezes for Brazil's London team. As for Internacional, D'alessandro's absence is a problem, but he has been absent other times this year, and Dátolo, who has performed very well since his first match w/ Internacional, has often compensated for D'alessandro's unavailability.
Dátolo is a former player of Boca, though, isn’t he? Dorival Júnior wanted Nei to take the PK, but Dátolo went for it. This hasty decision may later haunt Internacional.
8ºs de final, ida (anoche): Bolívar(BOL)-Santos 2:1 Autogol del arquero Rafael por rebote(B), Maranhao(S) y Jhasmani Campos(B). Internacional(BRA)-Fluminense(BRA) 0:0 (Cavalieri le atajó un penal a Dátolo).
I think they gave the first goal to Jhasmani, or so said the commentators. They said he has 3 goals this Copa... with 2 coming from last night. WIth that said, we will get a VERY stressful game next vs. Santos. But tis is what the team was built for. Hoyos has our boys go out and play vs. every team away from home, because I am sick of bolivians giving too much respect to their opponents and trying to defend the whole game. WIth how we've done inthe group stages taking points away from home... I think we'll give Santos a good run at their house. It's possible you know..... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Rj2lYgslk"]Atle. Parenaense 1 Bolívar 2 copa Libertadores 2002 - YouTube[/ame]
I read an interview Hoyos gave to a Brazilian news vehicle. The man struck me as humble: he said his team is comprised of simple, hardworking athletes who have a lunch-pail attitude and give their all on the pitch. I can respect any team that brings that to the game. Having said that, your team may pay for its fans' conduct. An object was thrown at Neymar and Bolivian police had to use its riot shields to protect him while he took a corner kick. They even threw a banana at him, and given the racial overtones that the throwing of bananas during soccer matches has carried in recent years, it's highly ironic because Bolivia is ethnically indigenous for the most part. Chile, Uruguay, and Argentina also field players whose genes display some native blood, to varying extents - but for this to happen in Bolivia is the pot calling the kettle black. Santos fans are known to be pretty rabid; whenever Santos visits Palmeiras, Corinthians, and São Paulo, the local police has a LOT of work because many Santos fans are not afraid to get rowdy. I am opposed to all forms of sports thuggery, but your team is in for one heck of a reception come May.