Things average Americans would say about soccer nowdays.

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by AguiluchoMerengue, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Yup, he's about average NBA height, and he is one of the very very very rare exeption in the whole wide world. So now you get the idea?
     
  2. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic

    MLB players faster/quicker? Many of those NFL players faster/quicker? NBA players faster/quicker? thantop level soccer players? I don't think so..

    Bigger and muscle pumping... not interested..

    We don't know nothing about your son. It's meaningless.
     
  3. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not the one who doesn't have an idea ...

    Heskey ?
    Bramble ?
    Almunia ?
    Ameobi ?

    I'm sure I'm not the only one that can make a pretty substantial list just off the top of my head.

    Granted, we're talking relatively here of course .... but these guys are terrible in that relative sense, especially given the conversation going on here.
     
  4. viscajunior

    viscajunior Member+

    Aug 3, 2008
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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  5. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
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    United States
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  6. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Good size !!!!
    :eek:
    C`mon, man. be serious once.

    None of them are even close of being big. At most, average size. Although imo, I would rather classify them as lower than average sized players, Roberto Carlos (1,68 m), Romario (1,69 m), Cafu (1,76 m)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Carlos_%28footballer%29
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafu
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romário

    Atomicbloke is right, with the argument that you regularly contradict yourself.

    Anyway, at least you are right about them being good technical players.;)
     
  7. AguiluchoMerengue

    Oct 4, 2008
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    jesus, i sad fast...

    big?

    well, cruyff wasnt small, ibra is not small, kaka or fat ronaldo are not small, maldini? thuram?

    a lot of them with a good size and a lot of them with tremendous speed too.

    if di maria wasnt as fast, he wouldnt be at madrid right now, and argentina woudnt have won the last olympic... :rolleyes:
     
  8. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    .....

    :rolleyes:

    You really don't know what the blue hell you type, do you ....
     
  9. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We agree!
     
  10. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    There you go again.:rolleyes:

    Above all, Di Maria (el "fideo", in spanish, in english : the "noodle", nickname got for being so skinny, which is opossite of being "athletic", once again you contradict yourself here), is one of the most talented, skillful players in Argentina nowdays, maybe only beaten by Mesi. His speed is not the reason why he signed for Madrid, it was his skills that got him there, besides a very big amount of euro`s.

    Besides from his Olimpic title (Argentina`s second in a row), he won an under-20 world championship (2007 Canada, they beat us in semifinals back then)(also Argentina`s second in a row, they were the former World Champions as well) and 3 titles for Benfica before arriving in Real Madrid.
     
  11. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes...the need for raw speed and immediate breakaway speed is greater in some other sports than it generally is in soccer. Just like the need for endurance is greater in soccer than it is in some other sports. Some positions in American football require more explosive speed and greater strength than soccer generally does. And I already mentioned track & field.

    I've quoted this before in this thread, but in his book "Soccer Secrets to Success", longtime Barcelona youth trainer Laureano Ruiz states that high-level soccer players are middle-of-the-road in terms of athleticism. Being that he's a guy who's written several well-regarded books on soccer development, and has spent his life working in the sport in Spain, including a great deal of time in the Barca system, he's hardly a "soccer-basher" or some dumb Yank who hates on the sport. He's just noting what should be obvious--soccer requires a high level of athleticism, but not the highest. I don't see what could possibly be controversial or offensive about that statement.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

    It's meaningless to compare athletes of the same age in different sports? Whatevs, dude.
     
  12. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    brushing aside the point that your argument that the rest of the world produces such players is the exact opposite of the bit you highlighted, how many of those players look anything like the "superior athletes" that the USA would supposedly dominate the world game with?



    Yes it can, as your continued contributions prove.

    You make it sound like people are saying you don't need to be athletic. The point is that you don't need to be exceptionally quick to succeed, nor do you need to be exceptionally strong.
     
  13. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Given how bad crouch is at heading, how has his height really helped him?


    Overall players with an athletic advantage will have an edge over someone with a similar skill level, but a skill advantage over someone with the same athletic ability will be much more marked.
     
  14. AguiluchoMerengue

    Oct 4, 2008
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    keep ignoring my examples.

    american sports use more strenght, but speed is also very important in the biggest american game which is football, no so much speed on basketball or baseball.

    yes, you still keep ignoring the fact that di maria is so fast, so its robben who is the best player of the runner up in the world, if it wasnt because casillas is extremely good, robben would have been the hero in the summer of 2010 beating puyol and pique with speed twice, not many people can do that.

    keep ignoring the fact of how important eto was for barcelona, yes another super fast player, i can go on and on.

    i never said you dont need skill, you are the one saying athletism is not important.
     
  15. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Oh yes.
    Where did I say so ? :confused:,
    all I remember I said, its that skills are more important than athletic conditioning in soccer. In fact, I also said that pro soccer players, due to their own activity, makes them all, have a great athletic condition.
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    Btw, please STOP calling Ronaldo as fat, .....:mad:...., as he has suffered most of his life, to deal with an hormonal disorder he has (hipotiroidism), which makes him acumulate lots of liquid in his body, making him "look" as being over-weight. Many times, due to this issue and to the treatment of it, he has had other associated organic problems (general muscle weakness, muscle cramps, great articular pain, being tired all the time with no reasons, memory loss, speach and thinking difficulties, other organic disorders, and of course among others, overweight and lots of dificulty in losing it), which meant him, to not be in conditions to play or to even put in risk his life in doing so. During great part of his career, once he knew about his problem, he tried to hide it from public eye in order to not get simpathy for this issue, but for his play instead, (where he succeeded brilliantly, imho), an issue that in his late years became obvious despite his efforts to hide it, and accepting everyones critics about his "looks" and weight and not defending himself at all. All reasons why he prematurely, had to quit from active professional soccer.

    As Garrincha (whom I described before in a question I made to you, at the end of another post (post number 307, in this thread), which you didn`t answer), despite their own athletic or health limitations, this guys accomplished being the best...... even among normal guys.:cool:
     
  16. Judith27

    Judith27 New Member

    Mar 22, 2012
    [​IMG]Your average white-causian male cop.
     
  17. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    There are positions that require explosive speed in soccer like wingers and wing-forwards. They just need to control the ball at the same time with feet. Speed is very important in soccer.
    Anyways, so Usain Bolt is more athletic than any American-football players?
    ok.. whatever.

    Again.. your son.. I have no idea.. too random.

    I don't see why he's slower than most baseball/basketball players and 60-70% of those american-football players.

    Speed is more important in soccer than most of them in general, and very important in some positions again like in wingers and wing-forwards.

    Nothing's wrong with bigger and muscle pumping, but if I was interested in it, I would follow http://www.theworldsstrongestman.com
    These guys are better athletes.. ok whatever..
     
  18. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It's an asset, but it's hardly vital. Good positioning, the ability to read the game, to move off the ball and gain a few yards before the defender has moved, are actually more useful.

    Not to mention the ability to wrong-foot a defender, allowing you to get a cross in.

    It's actually very hard to use pace effectively against a team playing deep.

    There have been loads of wide players who haven't had all that much pace. From a personal view, the best winger I've ever seen at reading, Glen Little, was probably the slowest player I've ever seen in a Reading shirt.

    Too many pacy wingers flatter to deceive. They can outpace a defender who has pushed up, but can't play a decent ball at the end of it.
     
  19. jsk14

    jsk14 Member+

    Mar 2, 2010
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    theo walcott :D
     
  20. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Uh.. yea, if you have perfect everything else. You don't need speed.
    If you have perfect dribble skill, then you don't need anything else, in theory..
    In reality, speed is important part of the game, often influences overall tactics a lot.

    Because of faster wingers and wing-forwards, a teams is forced to play deep, then they lose big space in the middle.
     
  21. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If that were true, Romario, Pele, etc. would still be playing today.

    If that were true, all the trick jugglers would be playing in the Premier League and not doing tricks on YouTube.
     
  22. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
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    San Antonio Scorpions FC
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    United States
    Controlled speed is an important part of the game. Theo Walcott and Gervinho are two of the fastest men in the EPL ... they're also two of the most inconsistent with their touch. They aren't half the player that they could be because they can't control their speed and use it effectively more often than not. Their speed is just as much of a handicap as it is a help. They've got to slow down to control the ball, get off a proper cross, or tame their shot on goal. Their speed really doesn't do a hell of a lot for them.
     
  23. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    In soccer, running off the ball is as important as on the ball.
    Great 'passing+running=goal' usually take only 1-2 touches.
    If the defense are relatively slower, they need to drop back in order to prevent that.
    Timing and speed is important. Split second determines goal or no goal.

    Uh.. .anyways it's in general more important and required than in baseball, basketball, ice-hockey, probably as important in american-football.
     
  24. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're right .... but how good is that speed if that 1 touch by the speedy winger/forward blows ass ?

    ... yeah not very good.

    outfielders and baserunners will not agree with you ....

    quickness/agility is much more vital in basketball as the size of the playing area doesn't allow for true speed to be a factor. This is a shit comparison. Ditto hockey.
     
  25. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Field is bigger but twice more players.
    A player on the ball gets high pressure and end up working on a very tight space especially closer to goals. Soccer is all about time and space. I would say quickness/agility is as much vital as in any sports if not more.

    As far as baseball is concerned... they just look bad... I don't think they are faster than soccer players in general. If you say they are more athletic than soccer players... uh... I got nothing more to say..
     

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