2012 Race for the White House II: The Two Towers

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  1. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    United States
    That is certainly a positive way to spin yesterday's results. Another thing to think of...Romney mopped the floor with Santorum :)eek:) in the northern urban and suburban counties, but got destroyed in the southern rural counties. Just by looking at the map, I predict Romney wins Indiana and Santorum gets Wisconsin. But looking to the general election, how on earth does Romney win when nobody in the rural counties voted for him in the primary? How does he re-connect? I don't think anti-Obama hatred is so much that many of these rural people will vote for a Mormon businessman who cannot connect his laptop to a plug.
     
  2. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
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    I think at this point the powers-that-sort-of-be in the GOP are pretty convinced they won't be winning this November. I think they are throwing all the bloody red meat they can find to the Orly Taitzes of the world now, while it doesn't matter, in order to secure their loyalty in 2016 when the party will need to move to the center...
     
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  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Rick gets the downstaters, Mitt the suburbanites. Ron Paul the college kids, and New the prisoners. It was all well arranged.
     
  4. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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  5. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
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    you sure that is not a commie pinko fascist godless Kenyan muslim salute of some kind given to his 'posse' to destroy 'merica again with his intellectual elite clueless ways? ok , if you say so...
     
  6. atomicbloke

    atomicbloke Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Berkeley, CA
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    Are you even following the news on the Super PAC front? Romney's strategy will be his Super PAC carpet bombing the country with Muslim terrorist Kenyan socialist ads all summer and fall.
     
  7. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
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    Hey Mitt, that's what a spontaneous, sincere moment with a commoner looks like.
     
  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    And that will work on downplaying turnout amongst working-class whites. Having done ground game for both Kerry '04 and Obama '08, I would rather spend $4,000 on campaign literature and food for volunteers in a swing-county precinct than $100,000 on advertising. Mitt Romney is not going to have people taking their friends to the polls. He is not going to have fifty paid staffers for the sole purpose of organizing volunteer events, running phone banks, and so on. His entire Super PAC strategy is based on outspending his opponent 10 to 1, meaning that right now he'd need $900 million in the bank to outmatch Obama and beat him by the 1-10% he's been doing against Rick Santorum. Then there's the fact that unlike the GOP electorate, the real electorate is not fluid. I can ask a sample of 1,000 representatively random American voters ten questions and guarantee which party 90-95% of them will vote for, consistently, every time. That means that Romney's negative strategy will be based upon getting turnout for the 5% of Obama swing voters down.

    Mitt Romney has no positive campaign, no ground game, and no enthusiasm. How he plans to win Virginia, New Hampshire, Ohio, Colorado, and Florida is beyond me.
     
  9. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    As if I wasn't making my point well enough, Taegan Goddard has two back-to-back posts today...

     
  10. chaski

    chaski Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2000
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    Republican plan to compete for the deaf vote.

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  11. riverplate

    riverplate Member+

    Jan 1, 2003
    Corona, Queens
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    Louisiana 95% reporting
    Santorum- 88,042 (49.2%)
    Romney- 47,495 (26.5%)
    Gingrich- 28,505 (15.9%)
    Paul- 10,971 (6.1%)
     
  12. 96Squig

    96Squig Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hanover
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    So the sentiment in the German media is that Santorum is basically Obama's biggest ally at the moment, if unwillingly.

    Is that mirrored by US analysts?
     
  13. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Well, our armchair analysis here on BigSoccer would indicate that Santorum winning the nomination would hand back Congress to the Democrats, so in a word, yes.
     
  14. Tom_Heywood

    Tom_Heywood New Member

    Jan 7, 2012
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    Even if Rmoney did win out in the end, surely the bitter, drawn out nature of the GOP battle will help Obama. Both wings of the GOP will dislike each other so much that they could even fight to the death over the future direction of the party, tripping up GOP candidates from now until 2016.

    It would be funny if the GOP did get hammered and went full on loony right wing afterwards. Bad for the state of US politics, but entertaining for us foreigners as a parade of mental cases and religious oddballs start wailing about the end of the universe due to a Communist Antichrist retains his current residence.
     
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  15. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    Wait...so they haven't gone full on loony right wing yet? Spooky...
     
  16. Tom_Heywood

    Tom_Heywood New Member

    Jan 7, 2012
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    Well......some are trying to keep it together and stop the march to the political nuthouse, the kind of people who probably would vote for Rmoney because Santorum is a religious fruitloop and Newt is just a completely hypocritical tosser everyone dislikes. I think the moderates will be completely swamped by the noise from the Tea Party/religious right/generally closet racist factions, and these elements will try to seize total control if Rmoney succeeds in being the nomination, but gets tonked in November.
     
  17. KevTheGooner

    KevTheGooner Help that poor man!

    Dec 10, 1999
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  18. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Well if the GOP picks Marco Rubio for Veep and pass these laws and still can't win Florida's 29 EVs I think we ought to be able to kick every single Republican out of the country forever. It's like relegation; after the parachute year is over if you can't claw your way back up, you're done. Send them to Switzerland where they hate Muslims even more.
     
  19. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Alright I am confused, are they angry or not angry?
     
  20. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
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    Shut up, John. There's no derailing the media narrative.
     
  21. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
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    Columbus Crew
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    How the ******** do you 'handle' gas prices? Do 2/3 of Americans want him to go on a hunger strike, or something? Dude said he'd buy a Volt once he was out of office, pushed through new mileage standards, production is up (somewhat, and no I don't think Obama was out there pumping crude oil out of the ground himself). What do they expect the man to actually DO that would make any difference whatsoever?
     
  22. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
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    Fulham FC
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    United States
    They have no idea. They're paying more at the pump, they're angry, and the President, while he obviously doesn't deserve it, takes the flack for it.

    It is what it is...
     
  23. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
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    Its times like this when I despise the right. The oil market is a functional market but when it's not working properly it's the government's fault because they didn't step in and make it less functional. Its pretty dumb logic.
     
  24. Norsk Troll

    Norsk Troll Member+

    Sep 7, 2000
    Central NJ
    Start a war in the Middle East?
     
  25. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
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    Fulham FC
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    Because that ALWAYS causes the price of oil and gas to drop! ;)
     

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