Mid-East News II

Discussion in 'International News' started by Ismitje, Mar 16, 2012.

  1. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
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    And speaking of movies, the future looks very bleak for the Egyptian people, with these Wahabi retards gaining/grabbing more and more power there.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.132fb791216c2b96ddd3a57979183eef.511
     
  2. valanjak

    valanjak BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 14, 2005
    Perspolis
    Iran bans Iranian movies from screening so much do that they won't even respect the cast and director of the best Iranian movie that they ban a cermony to thank them . We shouldn't expect others to respect our movies and artists when our government disrespects them on a daily basis.
     
  3. valanjak

    valanjak BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 14, 2005
    Perspolis
    Do you even live in the US? How can you talk on the behalf of Iranian-Americans when your not even part of that community ? Most Iranian-Americans appreciate the fact that Obama acknowledges our culture and history every year on Norooz. Additionally , what part of what he said was wrong ? Every word he said is true and all peace loving Iranians are against the censorship that the Islamic Relublic of terrorism has put upon our people . Lastly , Obama has made a Norooz speech every year and each year it had a different political tone but the difference is this year he actually took a harder stance against the regime which I don't know why is getting you upset . Did you
    Complain when he extended a olive branch to the mullahs in his first Norooz speech a few years ago ? The fact is that he made the right moves to show he is willing to sit down and talk peacefully but the mullahs made a wrong move by declining his offer and now they are paying the price economically and politically . What's even more sad is that Obama praises our rich history and culture on Norooz than the leadership in Iran that call themselves Iranians .
     
  4. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

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    Here is another World Leader's Nowruz message.

    Prime Minster Harper's Nowruz Greeting.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlGXSY81oQ"]Stephen Harper's Nowruz Greeting - YouTube[/ame]
     
  5. nimaa

    nimaa Member

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    At least this one managed to keep politics out of it!

    But then again, this was a general greetings for all the people who celebrte Norouz. Stay tuned for a specific one aimed at Iranians, complete with a train load of nonsensical political bull shit.
     
  6. valanjak

    valanjak BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 14, 2005
    Perspolis
    Ahmadinejad Norooz speech , notice how he talks Arabic during the first 15 seconds in a speech that's supposed to celebrate Persian culture. And then more then half of the speech is about politics . Khameni speech was way worse , it's really sad that Ahmadinejad is now considered a "moderate".[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QLUOaoZsqY&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]Ahmadinejad New Year Message 1391 ????????? ???? ??? ?? Iran - YouTube[/ame]
     
  7. mak9

    mak9 Member

    May 21, 2005
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    there is no problem just wishing a simple norouz greetings like Canada's prime minister

    but it's the hypocritical political message he embeds with it to brainwash iranian-americans and Iranian all over the world as if he some kind of liberator and he's on the people's side. He's the guy that signed the NDAA - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...#Sanctions_targeting_the_Iranian_Central_Bank . I personally hate the idea of a government run centralized bank, but if you sanction it, you're essentially cutting the people off from the world. Iran is lucky that they have oil and fertile land, otherwise, they'll be like Indonesia/Viatnam right now.

    Obama is just a politician, he'll start the war with Iran and say it's for regime change (meanwhile his buddies in Texas, Alaska, Alberta are living it up by selling oil at unimaginable prices while the straight of hormouz is shut down completely, and US gov's massive debasement of USD can be blamed on Iran).

    it's like the UN, that claims to be a center where the voice of all nations are recognized.....and yet for example,
    it took them 65 years to recognize the Norouz holiday that a large part the world celebrates every year for the last 3000 years.

    If Obama has his way with Iran, he'll fck up the country and make it into Afghanistan and install a puppet government like karzai. He doesn't give a sht what Iranian people want or say.

    US, EU and Isrl have this demonic sense of urgency to start a war, because the USD debasement is accelerating and EU is collapsing. Unemployment is rising everywhere, and a big world war can help distract the public. If no war happens, the public will realize that it was the politicians and corrupt banks that caused all these economic problems for them.

    The Iranian people should make the change themselves and don't let a foreign
    nation to intervene and do their job and enslave them afterwords. The change is going on right now naturally, and as the economy gets worse, and the younger generation take up more leading roles things will accelerate.

    Remember, the revolution of the older generation that ended in 79 started in 63. That's 16 years! The younger generation started in 2009, and there still more years to go. There are people in the rural area who are not convinced
    yet that the regime are corrupt hypocrites - partly cause of the gov-money. Those people need to be visited and educated and talk to them in their type of thinking.

    For example, one thing the young people in Iran can do is go to rural masjids and inform them of the hypocritical things the regime does, like how the devaluation of rial is related to usury, and how the regime prints themselves rials during times of economic hardship (post iran-iraq war, 2008-2012) at the expense of hard-working Iranians (I'll post more on this in a later post). Or how they install computer systems to spy on citizens when the Qur'an explicitly said not to spy on others. Or how about the over-the-top rhetoric and aggressive behavior that the quran explicit forbids. Or how they stone/hang people who commit adultery, Apostasy, and that none of this is prescribed in the quran, and that it's old jewish law. Or how they force religion (sharia) onto others (like Christians) when they're suppose to be judged by a common law or their book (like bible).

    If you talk from their point of view, people will start to pay more attention to you and come onto your side. But if you bash them and their religion, calling them Arab, you won't get any supporters (which itself is racist--because Arabs are humans, not some parasite species--even though their corrupt leaders act like one).
     
  8. mak9

    mak9 Member

    May 21, 2005
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    this is what I call a thoughtful norouz greeting

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI8Prth4d_o"]Christy Clark's Nowruz Greeting - YouTube[/ame]

    full of energy with a smile and no politics
     
  9. Iranianfootie

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    Sep 8, 2009
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  10. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
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    Al Jazeera panel on MEK terrorist cult, and the open support they receive from certain corners in the US, in clear violation of the US laws. What lies behind the open support?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR7mu5z9t9k&feature=player_embedded#"]Inside Story Americas - Paid to support Iranian terror group? - YouTube[/ame]
     
  11. Iranianfootie

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  12. Iranianfootie

    Iranianfootie Member

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    Sorry for the late reply but I just read an article that explains why some people think an attack on Iran would make the government weaker. They use the example of Operation Entebee where Israeli special forces rescue operation of hostages. Apparently, the Ugandan opposition at the time said that the operation embolden the opposition and made the opposition think that it could defeat the regime.

    I completely disagree with this line of reasoning as it pertians to Iran but that is probably the rationale that people are using when they think that an attack on the nuclear facilities will undermine the regime. IOW, a successful attack the "crown jewel of the regime" would cause the opposition to believe that the regime is "beatable" which would embolden the opposition.
     
  13. valanjak

    valanjak BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 14, 2005
    Perspolis
    I asked a simple question and you write a book and don't even answe 1% of the question? Again what part of Obama's message did actually not like or not agree with ? And what's up with the bold letters ?
     
  14. valanjak

    valanjak BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 14, 2005
    Perspolis
    Look like these agents or shall I say stooges of the Islamic Republic didn't learn their lesson after getting caught red handed trying to assassinate the Saudi ambassador on US soil . Hopefully , the US government takes the right steps to arrest these thugs and protect the US from their terrorist operations , just recently they a killed an innocent Iranian student in Texas that was a known green supporter in her community
    http://online.wsj.com/article/AP365b220a2c5349aabb17ab386703ff77.html#printMode
     
  15. mak9

    mak9 Member

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    i told you, embedding a political message to make the illusion he's on Iranians side

    obama isn't a friend of Iranians or people of any other nation, he's there to serve corporations who funded his campaign

    if he's going to send a norouz greeting then don't put political message in it
     
  16. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
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    He's a politician. He's the head of state of the world's most powerful nation. A nation that is currently in conflict with the leadership of Iran. It is his JOB to send political messages, even in conjunction with a "Happy New Year" message. In this case, a pretty frickin' reasonable one... unless of course your interests lie with making sure the Iranian people remain under the thumb of the theocracy.
     
  17. valanjak

    valanjak BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 14, 2005
    Perspolis
    For some reason your ignoring the real question , let's make this easier . We get it , you don't like the fact that he decided to send a political message . But what exact part of his message did you not agree with ? What part of the content of his message did not agree with ? Do you not agree that the Internet censorship put upon our people which is getting worse each day is something that we should be against and try to help ease these restrictions ? And lastly , it looks like you weren't upset and infact praised Obama 4 years ago when he sent his first Norooz message which was also political but in a different tone since Obama extended a olive branch to the mullahs by offering to talk , why is that ?
     
  18. Mr. Conspiracy

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17466453

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17450284

    So far I have not been able to find anything conclusive to support the idea that what is happening in syria is any different then what went on in libya, a popular uprising against a despot. I have read from people here saying it is wahabbi terrorists, but so far nothing seems to be backing this up. And the dead women and children in the cities can't all be terrorists fighting against the Govt.
     
  19. minerva

    minerva Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
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    yeah, the terrorist line is pure bullshit. it's an armed rebellion - pure and simple. exactly like Libya. it's not an "occupy" movement, it's not a protest movement. not even an uprising at this point. it's armed rebellion. and as always in such cases, innocent people suffer.
     
  20. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

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    It didn't start as one though. The government didn't start shelling whole cities to fight an armed rebellion. It became an armed rebellion because the government was indiscriminately killing peaceful protesters. I think that's a very important distinction.
     
  21. minerva

    minerva Member+

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    I think that was exactly the case in Libya too at the beginning.
    I don't doubt that the rebellion is in the "right," I was just making a point about the similarity of Syria to Libya.
     
  22. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

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    Got it. Fair enough and you're probably right. The comparison only breaks down when you get to geography and demographics.
     
  23. Iranianfootie

    Iranianfootie Member

    Sep 8, 2009
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    This sounds like a stupid question but many supporters of regime change in Syria are doing so to reduce Iranian influence in the region. My question is...how would regime change in Syria definitely cause Syria to stop supporting Hamas/Hezbollah?
     
  24. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
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    I think your initial assumption is wrong.

    The vast majority of supporters of regime change in Syria are doing so because they think the Syrian people have a right to self-determination and to not be shot in the street by their leader. Iran is at best a tertiary consideration for all but a few staunch neocon types.
     
  25. Mr. Conspiracy

    Mr. Conspiracy Member+

    Apr 14, 2011
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    I agree with what Tom said. Do I want syria to stop supporting hamas/hezbollah? Of course I do, but that consideration, as well as any link to iran pales in comparison to wanting to see the shelling of innocents end. What assad is doing is a crime against humanity and is no different then what happened in Bosnia, or libya or too many african nations to count.

    Now do I think it is up to the US to use force to make a change? No, I feel this is something that the regional powers such as Turkey and the arab league need to address. And honestly there is no reason iran shouldn't be doing something to help stop this mess, but as I showed in an earlier post of emails that were hacked, they have been encouraging and suggesting heavy handed actions.
     

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