Should Garber go big on the New York Stadium

The simple answer is that MLS is not going to build a stadium in NYC.

 

Yeah, they are. and about the partnership, they could partner with Fred Wilpon and build it in the Citi field parking lot. i'm thinking 40k. that way you allow for lot's of growth, you can hold bowl games, international friendlies, MLS cup and all star game. but have a lower deck that seats 25k and tarp off the upper deck.

 

You want to make a wager, Scarf-for-scarf, that NYC isn't one of the first 22 teams in the League?

 

I'd go as far as they won't be one of the first 25 teams.

 

Yes. Do you actually think that Garber is going to let three other teams in before NYC2.

 

you too

 

Ok, so a North Stars scarf is on the line versus a... (I guess, take your pick):
a. New England Revolution Scarf
b. New England Supporters Group Scarf (Midnight Riders)
c. Boston Victory (USL-Pro) Inaugural Season Scarf
d. Liverpool Scarf
e. Liverpool Supporters Group Scarf (LFC Boston)

You will win "If a stadium is built in New York City for NYC2 before the 22nd team kicks off their first game OR is NYC2 is the 22nd team in the League and breaks ground on a stadium in New York City before the MLS Cup Final of the first season"

Have we a deal?

 

MLS is only doing the pre-planning work for the stadium. The plans seems to be to be able to sell a package to a new owner group that willl allow them to essentially break ground on stadium construction right away. But MLS will not build or own the stadium.

As for how big the new stadium will end up being, that will be up to the new owners.

 

I would suggest the odds of anyone using their own money to build a 70,000 seat stadium in the hope that it might be half-filled are not great.

 

Yup. let's see if we remember it in 2014.

 

Well, which would you prefer I procure for the unlikely scenario in which I'm wrong?

 

If there was a place in New York that could fit a 60-70k+ stadium the Jets would have already built one there.

Oh, and don't count your chickens before they hatch. Who says the Cosmos would do that well, or get that many fans?

Its not going to be like the days of Pele people. The Cosmos aren't likely to get numbers like that again just becuase of a name and location.

Maybe they should be conservative with how much their stadium can hold and leave room for expansion? I'm expecting something roughly the size of RBA, but with room to add another deck or something. Maybe they become the next PU (small stadium but plans on expanding)

I'm really getting sick of these threads that assume the Cosmos can do no wrong as a franchise and will wash away all the things done incorrectly by the Red Bulls. This expansion team is not infalible just because 40 years ago they did really well attendance wise and people who post on soccer message boards really like them.

Build yourselves a stadium that seats 20-25k and then expand. Don't assume all will work out just because the Cosmos are awsome and historic and stuff while the Red Bulls are sell-outs and not even a for real NY team.

Lower your expectations, or risk playing in a venue that needs to tarp its upper deck. I'm still a believer that the Cosmos can work as NY's second soccer club (mainly as LI's team thus covering both west and east of manhatten) just not as this super club that can do no wrong. sixty thousand fans... worry about actually getting a team and seeing how many STH's you get before you talk about having venues larger than Yankee Stadium.

 

This is one of the silliest posts I have read in a long time on here.

 

I live in New York and would prefer a team on this side of the Hudson, but this idea is, frankly, impossible. I can see no way that NY2 would recieve anywhere near 60k on a regular basis, and that's just problem one.

Beyond NY2 home games, and perhaps the occassional international soccer game that they outbid the Meadowlands for, who would use this stadium on non-soccer days? NYC already has two brand new baseball stadiums, a rennovated MSG, a brand new arena in Brooklyn and the large, (more or less) privately built Meadowlands that needs to pay its mortgage. That's a lot of places to go that already compete for extra dates.

There already is a bowl game at Yankee Stadium that doesn't sell out and if the BCS dies (hopefully) the market for bowl games might shrink as attention focuses on four team playoff. I can't see a soccer stadium in somebody else's parking lot getting any of those games over the Meadowlands. Or a different city known for better supporting college football and better weather in the winter.

To be honest, I am a Yankee fan and not a Mets fan, but my parents used to have season tickets at Shea so I have been there a few times. Putting a second stadium on that footprint would be a disaster for both stadiums. The Shea Stadium site is not really that well suited to mass transit and was blatantly designed for people to drive to. (Random historical note: the the Brooklyn Dodgers rejected the offer of the same site, not just because it was not in Brooklyn but because they felt that many of their fans would not want to drive there.) When the new stadium was being built parking was a mess, but I got the feeling that no one really complained that much because it was only temporary until Old Shea was demolished. I can't see that feeling lasting if a permant soccer stadium is erected.

 

Garber is obsessed with bringing back the Cosmos. Personally, I think the 20th team should be Orlando.
However, they are hell bent on getting a club in NYC. At the same time, this 19 club league is bullshit. They need an even number. I'd be willing to bet that once they get some semblance of a stadium deal for Brooklyn or Queens, which I do think they will, they'll immediately restart the Cosmos into MLS.
I'd be willing to bet they end up spending 1 to 2 season ground sharing with RBNY before their stadium is done.
Personally, I think they'll go with the Randall's Island site. Also doubt it will be publicly funded. My guess is once Beckham retires, he partners with the Glazers (Man U owners) to fund both the team and stadium.
On the 60K-70K idea? No way. I could see them making it the largest soccer specific stadium in the league, but it won't and shouldn't top 30K.
Also sad to say I think it will spell disaster for RBNY in terms of bringing in talent. All of the Henry's will want to play for NY Cosmos over RBNY, both because of history and location. RBNY has a solid enough fan base that they won't go under or move, but they might become like the Chivas (who I think should move to Phoenix) of the NY area.

 

Who on Earth would disagree with that?

 

I meant that they won't even wait for the stadium to be built. Both MLS and RBNY says no shot on a ground share in NY but I bet they get so desperate to get the 20th team in they go back on that and NY Cosmos play in Red Bull Arena for a season or two.

 

RBNY, I agree with some of your post and disagree with it.
What I agree with-
First things first. Stadiums of gigantic proportions are long gone. True,the New Giants Stadium was rebuilt bigger, but that's because of the long, long waiting list of fans, the fact that Football only has 8 home games per year, and American Football in my opinion is the most popular sport in the US right now. You see what the New stadiums were built for the Mets and the yankees, they both don't seat more than 42,000 people. The old stadiums could seat 55,000.The same is true around MLB. The stadiums being built are no larger than seating/holding 40,000 people.

The "New" NY Cosmos would really only need a stadium around 30K. That would be more than enough. Stadiums are quite expensive, and I don't care who the owners are, their not going to spend $300 million on an 80,000 seat stadium.It will take many years (if ever) for a Soccer team to draw that many people.

I too think the Cosmos should be placed East of the City- Right by Citi Field would be a good area. Then again Randall's Island(where they originally began) or even Wards Island are good locations too. There is space to build there. The only thing about these two islands is, a Mass Transit link or system would have to be built as well.

The "new" NY Cosmos will have to adhere to the MLS Salary Cap.That sucks, because I would want to see this team join the "AC Milan's" or "Barcelona's" of the world. Messi, Villa, Balotelli, Schneider, Buffon, Pirlo, Robben, Lucio, the list goes on and on of the greatest players in the world to play for this team just like back in the day when I used to see Chinaglia, Bogicivic, Neeskens,Pele, Beckenbauer, etc.

What I diagree with is that you say it will spell disaster for the Red Bulls?
Not really, it shouldn't.It is because of the Salary Cap which will keep the league fair. And the Metros/Red Bulls have established a decent core group of fans.
And that will be good for the Red Bulls. The Red Bulls (and the Rest of MLS) will be able to compete against the Cosmos, thus being the reason for the Salary Cap. Keep all the teams even. Maybe they (Cosmos) could get a leg up on a couple marquee players as they start in their inception, to draw that initial spike to bring in the fans, promotion the first few years.

In all, I agree with you that this team will be a reality. I have heard that Don Garber is asked one question over and over around the NYC tri-state area lately:

When are the NY Cosmos coming?

The sooner, the better, I hope.

 

NYC2 is the next team.

Cosmos will make their return. And it will be huge.

Edit.. Re stadium: 25-30K is a good size

 

source .... ?

 

I'm again willing to put a scarf on the line

 

I'd be glad to bet against your first post in this thread, because you'd never get to collect on it.