What's all red and loyal to its Chairman? Twente [R]

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  1. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Maybe when he's on the pitch but it's never a guarantee that he will finish a given match without getting carded. He is out for two more matches, correct?
     
  2. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Why did Mclaren said to Munsterman he wasn't good enough to play CL, when he could buy him at Wolfsburg?
     
  3. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    That's McClaren's opinion. Like I said you have to be pretty blind not to see that he's defensively in a class of his own in Dutch football. Besides, Douglas has already proved his worth in the CL and in the Europa league.
     
  4. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Oke then I conclude that the current Twente manager is blind.
     
  5. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    You do realise he won us the league?

    It's just that you don't want to let McClaren make your player buying decisions. He proved that at his first spell at Twente and later at Wolfsburg and in England.
     
  6. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    No I should say that against you, after your remarks about his incapability to make player buying decisions. You do realise he has won the inly title? However it is possible. You can be a decent/good coach but be bad at transfers. Not saying Koeman is a good coach (he has a good staff), but he a horrible buyer of players, starting at Vitesse.

    I am sceptical. You were also boggled how Brama was not called up before WC 2010 and after trying out, it was clear he lacked any ability to perform on a high tempo plateau. Handling speed is too low. Douglas idem dito. I don't like football weak links in my team.
     
  7. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    McClaren's a brilliant motivational coach, a matchday coach. The players all love him.

    Brama maybe but Douglas too slow? I don't think so. Look if we had any in-depth class at the back four at Holland then fair enough. But you're not seriously going to claim that Douglas is inferior to Vlaar.

    After Matthijsen and Heitinga, no other Dutch defender has proved himself on the level Douglas has. That's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact.
     
  8. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Bruma already plays at Bundesliga at 19 and 20 years old. So that is not a fact. Mclaren has tested him in CL and he deems him unfit to play CL. We have Ruiz fresh in mind don't we? He was to good for Fulham. Brama was NT material. Both players have not impressed at both teams. We will have to see what he does at his new club and how he will do at the NT. The examples I put in there you were sure off as well.
     
  9. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    So because Ruiz fails at Fulham and because you don't like Brama, this reflects on Douglas how exactly? Ask Spurs, Olympique Marseille, Fenerbahce, Zenit St Petersburg, Schalke, Inter, etc what they thought of Douglas. He was more than fine against their forwards. Bruma's never even played against that level of opponents.
     
  10. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    So because Ruiz fails at Fulham and because you don't like Brama, this reflects on Douglas how exactly? Ask Spurs, Olympique Marseille, Fenerbahce, Zenit St Petersburg, Schalke, Inter, etc what they thought of Douglas. He was more than fine against their forwards. Bruma's never even played against that level of opponents.
     
  11. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I don't ask their forwards I ask his current trainer. He works with him day in day out and he deems him not good enough.

    Ruiz and Brama are people you tended to push forward, like Douglas now by you. Ruiz was even far to good for Fulham. Well, he is so good, that he can sit on the bench that is.

    The think of him making another step is, we will come to know what his ceiling is. Brama was also a player doing well in Dutch rating site's, but showed he was not able to cope on higher level. Aagainst Schalke he again showed to have problems.

    Douglas also is in the same handling speed category. We will have to see, how he handles himself when more football is demanded, like at the Dutch NT.
     
  12. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Why is it so important what everybody else thinks? McClaren, Gilette pro rankings, don't you have your own views on football? Again you don't need to be an expert to see that Holland are in dire need of Douglas' defensive qualities. Simply because apart from Heitinga and Matthijsen we have no-one else who's both experienced and proven on a high level in that position. How on earth can you prefer a teenager with half a season's Dutch league experience to someone who's been outstanding in the Dutch league and beyond for over four years? Or to someone with half a season's worth of Bundesliga football for not exactly a top side? I'm sorry but I don't get it.

    Again just admit that your view is subjective.
     
  13. ortevor

    ortevor Member

    Oct 20, 2009
    Czech Republic
    Club:
    FC Twente 1965
    Ruiz just made a terrible decision which club he joined...am sure once he leaves for club playing more technical football in Spain, or to a team which plays proper football, not the long balls forwards, he will do really good again and he has the ability to show he is good enough for EPL....imho he would fit into Arsenal squad pretty well :p

    Totally agree Douglas is a top class defender, imho he would be a nice addiction into probably any european national team, as most of the countries rates defenders not about how technical and footballing they are, but about the defensive qualities...which in Douglas case are enourmous...

    2 johan neeskens - for how many matches is Douglas banned @ Eredivisie ?
    And how does it looks like with Wesley Verhoek and his injury ?
     
  14. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    When Douglas does not play Twente are a different team--he makes them --how do they lose to NEC away?--because Douglas was not there

    He will have trouble ever getting on Oranje because:

    1-he's a little reckless--red card reckless
    2-his very agressive style will cause all the all the diving latin players a field day and probably a PK against us
    3- he's proably a giant ego who makes other people sick (the dutch black guy stereotype)
     
  15. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    There's a rumour that Ruiz might return to us!

    He got a three match ban. The Dutch FA said they gave him that long a ban based on his reputation. Now isn't that objective eh.

    Not sure about Verhoek, he's still not in full training yet. To be honest I don't expect him to get any playing time this season.
     
  16. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    A giant ego???!!! He's the blatant opposite! Too modest if anything.
     
  17. ortevor

    ortevor Member

    Oct 20, 2009
    Czech Republic
    Club:
    FC Twente 1965
    That would be amazing if Ruiz would come back, am sure he would get into his old self pretty much soon then :)

    Yeah, these bans based on reputation are always "fair", am sure any Ajax players would get just normal one match ban for this...imho there wasnt anything that serious, compared to other stuff which goes unpunished like these example punishments...
    not sure how the defence will look like against Feyenoord without him, i was never overly impressed by Bengtsson, especially after the crappy play by him against NEC...
     
  18. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Players get a one match ban for elbowing in this country. Douglas gets three for barely touching that Swedish PSV homo. Said homo did not even go down after the Douglas 'challenge'. Even many objective fans agreed the red card was ridiculous.

    Bengtsson is a bit up and down. Clearly Douglas is much better though. At least he can still play for us at Schalke away on Thursday.
     
  19. JC-14

    JC-14 Member+

    Jan 28, 2010
    Amsterdam
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    The guy kicked a player when there was no ball around. Don't go crying like Calimero about prejudice. When you're a recidivist, like Douglas, punishments are going to be more severe. Similar to what happened to Suarez en Zlatan.

    But I'm sure it's all just racism and/or favoritism according to some people here. Pathetic.
     
  20. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Thank you for your constructive post. I'm very surprised to see such a fresh point of view from an Ajax supporter I must say.
     
  21. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    This kind of language is better left on the toilet seat rather than on this forum. I'm sure you would not like to be disparaged in such a way. An apology is perhaps (no not perhaps absolutely necessary) in order.
     
  22. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Oh come on, it's just football lingo, I don't mean to offend anyone. Btw don't ever visit a De Graafschap Vitesse game if that's offended you.
     
  23. DSC05

    DSC05 Moderator
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    Jun 25, 2002
    Detroit, MI
    Club:
    --other--
    I'm not a big fan of the language either. Unless it has a different meaning in the Netherlands than here in the States.
     
  24. CANADA-AZ

    CANADA-AZ Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Hamilton-Canada
    Great players generally carry great egos--my mistake

    Its rare that you even hear the word homo anymore--even in a derogatory manner--its kind of cycled out here in Canada
     
  25. ortevor

    ortevor Member

    Oct 20, 2009
    Czech Republic
    Club:
    FC Twente 1965
    if u would ever had supported a small, provincial team than your favourite clubs, you would get the point how the scales of justice works "equally" for all sides...somes clubs are just more equal than the others, its always like that...in the refereeing sometimes, and always in these verdicts like bans and punishments, where big club lobby plays its part, and some clubs can never be touched...anyway, enjoy the sunny side of life supporting the majors, and if u cant see the bias, be happy, and compare the amount of titles won and look down to the others and feel good... enough on this topic from me

    the 3 match ban for sth like Douglas did is laughable, compared to many more things which got unpunished and Douglas didnt even used the full strengh...i remember much worse fould by Toivonen with elbow which got totally unpunished (not in this game but in general)..this is a clear hystery in this case of Douglas and somebody wants to make him an example...
     

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