Garber disses Tampa market

Wasn't the New York thing supposed to be wrapped up a few weeks ago, according to you?

"Gun shy" is a "diss?"

God, are you insecure.

 

Don must not have gotten a good lap dance at Mons Venus.

Or maybe it was TOO good and he wants to avoid the temptation!

 

You are a sad, sad man. Seek professional help.

 

You are insecure. You started an entire thread about being "dissed" because someone said they were "gun-shy." Not "I hate those people." Not "it will never work there." Not "we go back there over my dead body." But "gun-shy."

Did Garber say that or did the reporter say that?

That's funny. You calling people out about facts.

 

I don't know how to feel about this. Garber almost never mentions Tampa Bay directly and now all of a sudden he for some reason specifically mentions us regarding expansion in the south east? Was there some other context for his comments? Was that all he said? This article sucks.

I'm aware saying you are "gun shy" isn't necessarily the most positive comment, but IMO it isn't the most negative either and maybe we should take this as some kind of challenge from Garber for the Tampa Bay area to step up.

Who knows, maybe he doesn't like the idea of a Mickey Mouse club any more than the rest of us outside of Disney World...I mean Orlando do. Maybe he isn't hearing or seeing the kinds of things from Rawlins that he is looking for?

He also probably still remembers how poorly the Strikers supporters smelled during his meeting with them last year and is hoping that ANYONE else can step up to the plate and solve his problem for him.

What? No?

Whatever

 

No, Garber didn't say that.

Garber's actual quote was this "We've had a failure with Tampa, so we're a little gunshy with that market."

7:15 into the second video on this page.

And yet...he does. He was there for that, had been on the job two and a half years, I'm guessing he remembers that a lot better than you remember something he said three days ago.

But you've always believed what you want to believe. You've always heard what you wanted to hear, always read into things what you wanted to read into them. You've always latched onto every little thing anyone ever says that could even be remotely inferred to be coinciding with your worldview and trumpeted it to the heavens as proof that you know what you're talking about. And woe to anyone who you think says something negative, something that plays into your particular brand of insecurity.

Even if they didn't say it.

Garber didn't say Tampa folded. He didn't say it "folded on itself." The reporter said that.

Garber said we ("the league") had a failure in Tampa. And that's true. The franchise failed (for a lot of reasons).

 

Shit, with Garber making these comments, I was hoping to see the Rowdies in MLS one day, probably in 5-to-7 years from now.

 

Right on!

 

I just don't see what we can do about it. I really don't get the feeling that our current ownership cares about MLS or even if they did that they have the competence to pull it off. They are having enough trouble filling a minor league baseball stadium halfway with fans game in and game out in the NASL.

If we want MLS, if we start asking for it like other fan groups, we probably need new ownership. Or at the very, very least all new management. Unless I've missed something obvious about the people we currently have running the team?

While I think it's great that the NASL is trying to stabilize lower division soccer and the soccer pyramid, and while I'd love to one day have a 2nd division that averages 7,8 or 9k and includes 14 or 15 stable franchises or more, those days are a long, long long way down the road IF THEY EVER HAPPEN.

So MLS is always going to be where every fan base wants to be just for the fact that it is much more stable and promising long term than any lower division league.

We've tasted MLS here before and I believe a MLS team could be successful in Tampa Bay, but I don't see any point right now in getting up in arms over stuff like this or to start whining about wanting MLS like the Strikers fans do. We've got as much as we are likely to get for a long time, may as well get over it and get used to it.

We're supposed to be thrilled with having any pro soccer at all back in Tampa Bay, right?

 

Hey, look at that! The goalposts, they've been moved!

That would have been AEG and Hunt. They owned multiple clubs during that time. So the answer would have been two. So either AEG, which owned six clubs, should have made it seven so you'd feel better, or Hunt, which owned three clubs, should have made it four, so you'd feel better.

And they should have taken on the team with the worst lease in the league and the one that wasn't relevant in its market. Yeah, awesome. That's what they should have done.

And why do you think that was?

 

whitestar "factsdon'tmatteriwantmls" warriors vs. kenn "i'malwaysrightevenwheni'mclearlytalkingshit" tomasch.

not sure who i'd back.

 

funny!

 

I like speedcakes attitude about the whole MLS expansion thing. Very rational. Being a Strikers fan I would like to go to MLS, but I don't think were ready yet, and Traffic isn't ready yet. If we can can continue to grow the fan base for 3-5 years, and build solid support and the team gets out of Traffic hands, then I'd say we will be ready, if an opening arrives.
Wow, everyone disses Strikers supporters!
I think some depictions of Strikers supporters are a little off. Yes, some are bent on MLS, but thats their thing. I for one don't believe in asking billiionaires to buy a soccer team for me. More and more supporters are becoming content with the current NASL situation and accepting of the reality of things, which is a good change of direction. I think a maturation is taking place within the group and I think the biggest challenge we face is changing the way we are perceived. Nothing good is ever said about us. I'm all for Tampa/Orlando/Ft.Lauderdale getting into MLS one day or MLS2, as long as we have a local team and some rivals, that is all that we should want. But it's gonna suck when one or two teams gets in and someone is left out.

 

I'd just as soon you backed him. Would seem to be more your speed.

I'm clearly not talking shit, but if Mr. Anonymous Internet Guy says so, it must be true.

 

That's true. Yet they eventually found people willing to invest in it. Just not in Tampa. For a lot of reasons.

Also true.

Many people could have bought the team. None did. The team had a crap lease and there were very few people who believed in 2002 that we'd be sitting here in 2012 with a 19-team league with almost everybody in their own stadiums and getting paid for television.

Just say "I was wrong. I insisted Garber said the Mutiny 'folded,' when he didn't say that at all."

 

BOTTOM LINE: We need to take Baby Steps at this point. We, the fans, and the ownership need to do what we got to do in order to make this club successful right now in the NASL.

Increase attendance, continue to create an awesome atmosphere, build our own Stadium & eventually we'll see our name pop up in serious expansion talks with MLS one day. But, for right now, let's think about the present & the NASL.

 

And here we go with your same ridiculous, supposedly supportive argument against some people Kenn. Who he is matters jack squat, unless he claims to be somebody he's not. Otherwise he is the same as every single other person on these forums - a soccer fan posting an opinion. You just don't like that someone said he has to think about whether or not you or WSW is more of a numbskull. LMAO

 

+1, Right on here. Same thing goes here in FTL. We need to support our teams, and of course pay extra special care and attention to the revival of the Strikers/Rowdies rivalry. Working with our clubs to build support for our teams one fan at a time has a worst case scenario of us becoming stable, long term D2 franchises. Not so bad a fate, eh? Could they slowly build and become MLS contenders? Sure at some point, they could. But I believe if things are done right, that kind of stuff will take care of itself at some point in the future if it's truly the right fit. Even if the current owners in both cities don't have big MLS aspirations, if the clubs are built and a fanbase emerges that could support it, there will be interest from outside investors to step up. So like the man said, be happy with what you've got, support the hell out of it constantly in your community, and good things, in one form or another, will happen.