Difference is you were actually trolling as in opposed to me that I'm simply debating like anybody else. Learn to be civil like I am than perhaps you won't need to be warned. de nada
yeah, right, you are being civil! LOL yeah, right, you are simply debating, while I was trolling. Liar.
Hey, how can you debate that most of the fault's for gremio's horrible times lay on their fans shoulders? Gremio has had a non stop fiasco (from segundona, to losing a 2 match finals by like 7 goals or something at libertadores, to having the speakers out for Ronaldinho's arrival to God knows what else. It's a never ending fiasco, simply because the fanbase has assumed a position of accepting everything and anything without complaining. Geral is what's killing Gremio. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I find rather amusing. But you must agree that ever since the so called barras appeared at Olimpico gremio has going over the deep end. That's what I'm debating (and you are avoiding to acknowledge) here. Isn't a worthy subject related to Gremio's today reality?
CG, let's just leave this topic to the Gremista and any GAME discussion. I'll make sure the same thing happens for the Inter thread. AcesHigh, just simply ignore if you feel like someone is trolling and the moderation will check out the posts when they become available. Back to the game: I really don't blame the Gremistas for the reception Ronaldinho received. Fla was the same way with Ronaldo. I personally enjoyed the atmosphere because it had been a while since I've seen a filled stadium in the Brasileirao this year. We have been playing like shit for the past 2.5 months. The first half was probably our best football since that time, but the second half is what we have seen since our win streak came to an end.
yes, on Youtube videos Ive seen some Barça players defending Ronaldinho. It seems they forget what they did to Figo. And neither Figo nor Ronaldo were responsible for making Barça and Flamengo fall to 2nd division.
I am just making the comparison from when he had the choice returning to Brazil. When he left for PSG I won't bother touching here, since it's a discussion in its own right.
certainly, but its all related. Grêmio hating comes from what we perceive as TWO backstabbings. You know... forgive once... not twice. Really, lets return to the Gremio Arena subject. A topic that brings me much more joy than Ronaldinho.
one month later looking from the top of the VIP/Gold Sector... at the north stands, they already started putting the supports of the boxes section [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV9MoNOHvVM"]ARENA do Grêmio - visita no dia 06 de dezembro de 2011 - YouTube[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-dV69JfOrs"]Arena News - 07.12 - YouTube[/ame]
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Felipão is over imho. Just like Luxa. They cost TOO MUCH, and dont do anything out of the ordinary. Luxa barely qualified Flamengo to the Liberadores, a Flamengo that invested a lot in players. And Scolari could not do anything with Palmeiras group. Well, who could? But if you CANT do anything good with a bad group, you dont deserve to win $700k a month.
Caio Junior is already under major heat after tying the Inter B side. Who has been rumored to take over? Vanderlei Luxemburgo!!
just rumours I guess. I NEVER met a Gremio fan that likes Luxemburgo. I would say 99% of the fans are against Luxemburgo EVER coaching Gremio. Luxa hasnt done anything since the 90s. Caio Junior is under heat but it isnt his blame. The squad is weak in defense and midfield.
dont tell me about it. I hate Luxa, and in fact, most gremistas reject him. But now that Odone did the mess, we will have to support that mofo... bah!
You might as well call this year lost if Luxa stays around. Grêmio management with coaches have been horrible as of late. They fired Vagner Mancini when he was undefeated in the Gauchão and now Caio Júnior gets fired only a month into working with this squad. It's examples like these why people say Brazilian football is a mess.