Paulo Henrique Ganso

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by Daniel96, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. Daniel96

    Daniel96 Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Australia, NSW
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ganso has a exceptional style, I think he has potential to become one of the best Play-Makers in the world.
    What do you think of Ganso?


    Ganso played a very good style against (Kashiwa Reysol)
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FNpzRRJHsE"]Paulo Henrique Ganso vs Kashiwa Reysol 11/12 By Zouzinho - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDQNMsNKnLI"]Paulo Henrique Ganso ? The Greatest Moments Of 2011 - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8Z8R1m5PQ"]Ganso - The magic brazilian HD - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ganso needs a lot work to become a great player. He will have a tough time if he doesn't start working harder on the field.
     
  3. Daniel96

    Daniel96 Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Australia, NSW
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ganso is not the type of player that runs around beating defenders and hungry for goals.
    His style is to playmake, keep the game flowing, give good passes and assist.
    But he does need to run around abit more and get faster, other then that he is a very good player with lots of potenital.
     
  4. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sorry, your post says greatest play maker in the world no ? That means he needs to be able to be versatile and beat some players in the midfield and be able to score some goals as well like Zidane and Rivaldo. He will never be a world class play maker if he can't do that.

    At the very least he needs to make him self more available to make those passes or else he will be very easily marked out by defensive midfielders.
     
  5. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ganso needs to mature as a player. Every time I see him take the field, I feel like his demeanor is that everything is all fun and games. I'm not saying that he doesn't work hard in training, etc, but when he is on the pitch, I feel like he is lacking effort.Also, he is known to be quiet, but he never has come off as humble to me IMO.
     
  6. Daniel96

    Daniel96 Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Australia, NSW
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ganso can take long range shots preety good, but Ganso isnt much of a goal scorer, he is a Classic Playmaker like Xavi.
    Zidane was good at everything, he was able to dribble, playmake, pass and score, and thats why hes one of the best players of the 90s/2000s.

    For Ganso to become like Zidane he needs to run more, be quicker and score more. But when I watch Ganso play you can just tell he doesnt like running, so I dont think he will ever be a runner. When he gets the ball he will just jogg and look for someone to pass to, and every now and then he will have a shot at goal.

    Brazil have Neymar, Lucas Moura, L.Damiao for scoring goals and running around, and Ganso mainly needs to stay behind them and assist and keep the game flowing like Xavi does for Messi and Barcelona.

    Correct me if im wrong, im just saying what I think.
     
  7. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sure ... but Xavi is very mobile and Barca's game is very unique.
     
  8. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Ganso has a lot of work to do. His career won't go far far if he continue his very lazy and static playing style.
     
  9. Daniel96

    Daniel96 Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Australia, NSW
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    If Ganso starts running more and gets faster, then he will be a Top player.
     
  10. Daniel96

    Daniel96 Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Australia, NSW
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  11. Chacal

    Chacal Member

    Oct 11, 2010
    California
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem is though, I don't think a player can suddenly get faster. Remember that he's already suffered a serious knee injury, and was never a fast player to start with. I don't think he has an effort or attitude problem, but rather he simply may be too slow to really make it big in Europe for for A Seleccao.

    In some of the games I've seen Ganso play, especially at the international level, I think his lack of mobility gets exposed big time since it's so easy to close down his time and space. Clearly he has great vision and passing skills, but in Europe you don't have anywhere near the amount of time and space on the ball that he gets in Brasil.
     
  12. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Speed is not Ganso problem cause you don't need to be fast to succeed in Europe. Can you say that Xavi is really faster than Ganso. He is just not mobile enough nor does he work hard enough; it as bad as Ronaldinho during his later stages of his career where he would just stand or walks. If he doesn't change; he'll be in for a rude awakening in Europe and they will just send him back to Brazil.
     
  13. Chacal

    Chacal Member

    Oct 11, 2010
    California
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is a difference between lacking speed and not being able to move at all, though. Guys like Xavi, Pirlo, Scholes etc. are not fast players by any means, yet they are mobile enough to pick out soft spots in the defense and still operate effectively.

    The question is, can Ganso do this? From what I've seen so far, I think the rigid tactical structure of Serie A would much better suit his game than any other league.
     
  14. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    I think if he doesn't then either they send him back to Brazil or they convert him into a deeper midfield role like a Pirlo.
     
  15. Daniel96

    Daniel96 Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Australia, NSW
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Who would be more effective for Brazil today, Kaka or Ganso?
     
  16. NotreDameFlamengo

    Jul 25, 2011
    Raleigh, NC
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    When Kaka was healthy this season, albeit it wasn't long, he was one of the best players on one of the top 2 teams in the World. There is a reason he is a former FIFA World Player of the Year. He has crazy talent.

    Ganso on the other hand hasn't proven anything. He has great natural ability and is very young, but until he shows something, in my opinion he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as a healthy Kaka.

    So to truely answer your question, Brasil is up shits creek for a true playmaker. Kaka is injury prone, Ganso isn't there yet, if he ever will be, and the only other option is Ronaldinho. Who is old and whose head just isn't in the game anymore (see recent articles about Flamengo training).
     
  17. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Right now, neither but a healthy Kaka would be more effective. I think Hernanes needs to play the #10 role for Brazil.
     
  18. RichCreamy48

    RichCreamy48 Member

    Jan 9, 2012
    San Diego
    All of the recent news stories seem to suggest that Ganso will be heading to Europe. What team do you guys think would be best for him? I would love to see him at Milan :)
     
  19. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    A team in the Serie A would probably be the best bet. Milan and Brazilian are usually a good fit. Only problem I see is Ganso style of play would clash with Ibrahimovic style of play.
     
  20. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Exactly, plus you'd have to drop prince boateng to the bench and ganso would be expected to track back which I don't think hes willing/capable of doing.
     
  21. RichCreamy48

    RichCreamy48 Member

    Jan 9, 2012
    San Diego
    I have read this before and I think I don't quite understand it. Why would their styles clash?

    Also, I think Boateng would end up moving to the right side, since that is supposedly his more natural position.
     
  22. Daniel96

    Daniel96 Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Australia, NSW
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Best place for Ganso is Ac Milan, Inter or Juventus.

    But why do Ac Milan always sign players that are ready to retire? they signed Ronaldo and Ronaldinho in the retiring years, ect.
     
  23. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Milan can't afford to keep up financially with Madrid, Barca and the other top European teams. Signing Ronaldo and Ronaldinho were marketing moves (Ronaldo more so). That's why they tried to ship Kaka' to Man City for a lot of money but ended up selling him to Madrid for less based on the player's wishes...which ended up being a tremendous deal.

    As for Ganso:

    - Italy suits his style with build up play.
    - Spain would give him lots of space on the field although he wouldn't be able to sigh with neither Barca nor Madrid.
    - Germany wouldn't be a bad move but not sure any of their teams would want to pay what him and Santos want.
    - England would be physically tough for a player like Ganso...probably not a good destination.
     
  24. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Both are ball dominate players not known for proving constant off the ball movement that why they would clash. Ganso is actually worse than Ibra in that regard.
     
  25. RichCreamy48

    RichCreamy48 Member

    Jan 9, 2012
    San Diego
    Do you think that Ganso is finally back to 100 percent fitness? I was really impressed with him in the friendly against the United States. I'm not sure if he was a step quicker in that game or if he was just getting more space than he usually does, but I don't think he's looked quite as good in the other games I've seen him play.
     

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