I'm sorry but you are a joke... You stated 4 "reasons" why Pele isn't good. I and Celito went answering one by one, showing facts when there was facts and debating where they isn't fact to prove the other way, and you simply decides to ignore it and say more BS... Fifa helped Brazil in 1986!!! say what? of all the call you could made this was the sillies one... Did you even researched this before posting it? Son, Brazil Played Spain on the Group Stages!!!! Socrates goal was not offside as you claimed here is proof on minute 4:33 [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usTXJ1xZpLk"]Socrates vs Spain 1986 By Zouzinho - YouTube[/ame] So your claim that it was an off side doesn't hold when faced with FACTS Besides, this was a GROUP GAME, Had we lost the game as you said we would if Fifa didn't help us, we would still be second on the group and played Denmark and them Belgium, before facing Argentina on the semi-final... So we would go further had we stay in Second place... really amazing help by Fifa You claim that Socrates gave an interview to a UAE could you post a link to the interview? was it in english, portuguese (with help of a translator) please some link before posting something like that
That was a great match between cariocas and furiosos back in the day, the best match of the group stage along with Paraguay vs Belgium, but if I remember correctly, didn't Spain get a legit goal anulled?
TO be honest, I don't remember. I tried to search for annulled spain goal and I couldn't find it. But my point was to show that the supposedly help by Fifa wouldn't make any difference. Socrates goal was on side. Brazil would be first in the Group anyway due to Goal difference and even let's say that Spain would win Brazil would go as second and actually have a easier time getting to the semi-final... So this conspiracy that Own Goal writes about happens only on his mind. Now, were there in the history of the game calls that where Brazil way. Yes, many times. Are those game changing, Campaign changing calls?! no I really don't think so... errors are part of the WC it happened and will happen again.
first of all spain goal was legal known for having refereed one match in the 1986 FIFA World Cup in Mexico: Spain versus Brazil, in which he wrongly disallowed a Spanish goal by Míchel, in which after the ball hit the crossbar, it bounced behind the goal line and fell back out.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Bambridge secondly, socrates goal is offside and u can make sure when u read this articlehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/04/socrates?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487 In Guadalajara, against Spain, Sócrates scored another World Cup goal, though this one looked offside, after the centre forward, Careca, had shot against the bar. That came eight minutes from the end and gave Brazil a 1-0 victory. if brazil lost the match and became second in the group, they wd have played the rest of their matches away from guadalajara which is why fifa was guaranteeing that brazil tops the group to repeat what pele and his fellas did back in 1970 when they played the whole matches till the final in juadalajara !!! do u see the difference in this remarkable favoritism?? brazil players and coach were resting and having heaps of time to train and study opponents whereas the rest of the teams were travelling across mexico which wd take out of them. socrates wasnt interviewed in an electronic magazine, it was a regular one and he said what he said before france nocked out brazil in the quarter final 2006 as he refered this defeat to fifa because they wdnt help brazil this time as usual ( zidane actually doped before that match and went to blood bank) this is an english translation by google for a part of the interview and if there is a link i would have provided to u hoping this wd help Socrates as a modern text of the magazine, "I am absolutely convinced that the referees will not help this time Brazil as they did in previous times .. I was I first realized that the government stop on our side and the bias of our 86 in the World Cup when he made a true goal for Spain in a match in the first round and suffered a lot this is because of my opinion at the time when it commented on and considered it unfair .. So that one of the officials team rebelled and decided to bring me back to Brazil, but the coach Tele Santana, then flatly rejected the resolution .In addition, Brazil would fail to win the title in the past years in the absence of a strong Brazilian man at the head of FIFA, Joao Havelange named ..Even in the last World Cup we must recognize that Brazil received support and assistance over and over again .. For example, during the first game in the first round against Turkey .. The referee awarded a penalty kick for Brazil is incorrect because the mistake was made out of the box .. In the match against Belgium in the quarter a goal disallowed for true opponents .. Thus " Issue 145 - Journal of Super UAE 2006 see, this is why i do not trust brazil golden record
It's OK that you make up conspiracy theories about 3rd hand accounts. But to twist facts that are available on video is simply absurd. 1 - Spain's shot was strong and bounced very fast off the crossbar. It crossed the line by less than 20cm. So excuse the ref for making a mistake MANY refs have made throughout history. England 66, Germany x England 2010, etc ... 2 - If the ref wanted to favor Brazil, he would have not called back a goal that was scored by Edinho when he scored with his hand instead of his head. It was actually well disguised and ref could have easily missed it. The score was 0 x 0 at the point. This already completely invalidates your theory. 3 - Socrates goal was so freakin close you can barely tell if he is off or not on replay. You're acting as if it was a blatant offside. It's as if every mistake for Brazil is cause of conspiracy theory as if refs never make them.
how could argentina and brazil leagues be at the same level of top european competitions??! do u think pele wd have scored 1000 goal had he played in italy? it is so hard to believe with the defensive style of play the italians implemented and still do this refutes the first point of u guys i reckon the second one which is the great goals that u elaporate on did not convince me at all, pele never scored goals like said owairan against belgium (even though he ran straight), neither did he manage to play an outstanding match such as zidan vs brazil 2006 or maradonna cs belgium and england or garrincha 1962, he never done things like these, he just happen to be lucky to play in a strong team that was helped by havelange to win this is the story of pele in brazil there are players playing as if they are extraterrestrial until now but they wdnt be as good when they play in europe such as robinho im still wondering if pele didnt win the poll for ppl didnt see him play then hw come he managed to be the second after maradona
1) it is so hard to believe with the defensive style of play the italians implemented and still do No it doesn't. Ask any European about this. Again, check the results of the Intercontinental Cup. during that time it was played over two games (Home and Away), if they were so good why they didn't dominate the Intercontinental Cup? 2) the second one which is the great goals that u elaporate on did not convince me at all, pele never scored goals like said owairan against belgium (even though he ran straight), neither did he manage to play an outstanding match such as zidan vs brazil 2006 or maradonna cs belgium and england or garrincha 1962, he never done things like these, he just happen to be lucky to play in a strong team that was helped by havelange to win this is the story of pele The Goals speack for themselves, they where great goals. Just watch the video... "neither did he manage to play an outstanding match" ?! I guess scoring 2 goals on the final of a WC isn't having an outstanding match! About WC86... It wouldn't matter... Travel within the same Country isn't such a big deal, Brazil had to travel when it won in 58,62,94 and 02... So of our 5 WCs, 4 of those we had to travel. 1 we didn't and you sure see a major conspiracy... Oh, by the way if we had such a easy time due to Fifa favorism why it took 24 years to win again after 1970?! (I'm going to use a page from your book.)I'm sorry but the interview u elaporate on did not convince me at all. (I will research this interview and the magazine to see if I can make anything out of it) Anyway, I knew that no one can convince you other wise, and it is your right to believe whatever you like. Good luck in your life.
Because the world cup is fixed. Is that an asterisk? This one was even worse! Look at :51 [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybofMZAgXuU&feature=related"]Copa do Mundo 1962: Brasil 2 x 1 Espanha (1ª Fase) - YouTube[/ame]
I agree, Edinho's goal was a handball (Maradona would show him how it's done later in the tournament ) and indeed Socrates' header was not offside. But Michel's goal should have counted as it went fully in.
Cyclones and Own Goal, you will have a field day with this: Pipiolo, you are correct Michel's goal should have counted (a tie would still guarantee Brazil 1st place) [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAR6lnnviuo"]6 erros de arbitragem em jogos do Brasil nas Copas do Mundo, por Fred Fagundes - YouTube[/ame] this are the mistakes shown on the video: Meus comentários estão no vídeo acima, mas segue um resumo de referência: 2002 – Brasil x Turquia. Luisão sofre falta quase no meio-de-campo e o Kim Young Joo, coreano boa praça, marca pênalti. 2002 – Brasil x Bélgica. Marc Wilmots marca contra o Brasil quando jogo ainda estava 0×0. O árbitro, só ele, vê uma falta sobre Roque Jr. 1994 – Brasil x Holanda. Um dos épicos da Seleção Brasileira em Copas do Mundo. Mas repare no lance que originou a falta sobre Branco. 1962 – Brasil x Espanha. Nilton Santos, enciclopédia do futebol e malando, deu um passinho e evitou o pênalti. Na cobrança, o árbitro, de novo, quebrou um galho. 1978 – Brasil x Suécia. Quarenta e cinco minutos do segundo tempo. Escanteio para o Brasil. Gol de Zico? Não, o árbitro terminou o jogo com a bola em direção à área. 1986 – Brasil x Espanha. O Brasil venceu, mas a Espanha foi prejudicada pela arbitragem. Ou melhor, o Brasil foi favorecido. Tem um tira-teima 16 bits não me deixa mentir. got it from: http://papodehomem.com.br/6-erros-de-arbitragem-em-jogos-do-brasil-nas-copas-do-mundo/ I will go one by one, saying if each instance the error would make a huge difference in the competition. Does this prove that there is a conspiracy to help Brazil?!! no it doesn't. Mistakes happens and will continue to happen on WCs. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGQYrV2MssM"]Os Piores Erros de Arbitragem em Copa do Mundo - YouTube[/ame] and a quick search for 2010 WC erros will give plenty of referee erros for exemple: http://en.rian.ru/infographics/20100714/159807469.html Were any of erros in Favor of Brazil in the final or semi-final? would it change the result of the competition? does it happen only with Brazil? Sorry, they isn't a Fifa conspiracy to help Brazil. yes, we got calls in our favor but referee erros happens
thank u so much for these facts spain also was disqualified from its penalty kick when santos fouled its player inside the box and walked outside it so that the referee would not count as penalty and when they scored a goal from this foul he disallowed it !!!! hw could this happen ?? in the final santos prevented a goal for czechslovakia when he used his arm to block its way and the referee did not send him off and call for penalty,,if he did it would have changed the distany of the trophy as well as garrincha case in 2002 the referee succeeded to expel italy and spain to make sure brazil win the title
i mean if he played in italy he might not have scored 1000 goals the 2 goals he scored in the final were a result of havelanges deed when he manged to prohibit the sweedish from chanting and cheering for their country in the final coz if they did the brazilians may have lost their temper and repeat another battle like the battle of bordoux or berne! how can they not allow the locals from supporting their team in the final i never experienced something like that ( this story in david yallops book) brazil cant win without a great help from fifa for example in 94 havelange changed the ref of the semifinal to favor brazil against sweeden otherwise the final could have been between italy and sweeden João Havelange, ex-presidente da Fifa entre 1974 e 1998, recentemente pelo sueco Lennart Johansson, ex-presidente da Uefa, de ter favorecido a seleção brasileira na Copa do Mundo de 1994, principalmente na vitória de 1 a 0 sobre a Suécia, na semifinal. Em entrevista ao jornal "Folha de S.Paulo" desta quinta-feira, Havelange não responde a esta questão, mas também faz suas acusações, apontando para as Copas de 1966, na Inglaterra, e 1974, na Alemanha. http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/espo...-armacao-nas-Copas-de-1966-e-74-mas-nao-em-78 O ex-presidente da Uefa Lennart Johansson insinuou nesta quinta-feira que o ex-presidente da Fifa, João Havelange, teria favorecido a seleção brasileira na vitória sobre a Suécia por 1 a 0 na semifinal da Copa do Mundo de 1994. Segundo Johansson, Havelange teria pressionado para mudar de maneira irregular o árbitro que apitou a partida. - O árbitro foi trocado no último segundo por um sul-americano (o colombiano José Joaquín Torres) que mostrou o cartão vermelho a Jonas Thern. Isso foi estranho - destaca Johansson em entrevista à revista sueca de futebol "Offside". O sueco Johansson, que presidiu a Uefa entre 1990 e 2007 e também foi vice-presidente da Fifa, acrescentou que circulou na ocasião um rumor sobre a escolha de Torres. O ex-presidente da Uefa afirmou que a troca não ocorreu da forma correta, e disse que suspeita que Havelange estava por trás da mudança. - Não nego que a entrada de Thern fosse merecedora do cartão amarelo, mas não do vermelho. Essa decisão influiu na partida. Thern era o capitão e sem ele o jogo não foi o mesmo - assegura Johansson. O jogador sueco foi expulso da partida aos 18 minutos do segundo tempo, quando a semifinal ainda estava em 0 a 0. O gol da vitória do Brasil foi marcado aos 35 minutos, com Romário, de cabeça. A Copa de 1994, disputada nos Estados Unidos, pôs fim a uma fila de 24 anos do Brasil sem o título mundial. A seleção levantou o troféu após bater a Itália nos pênaltis na final. http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/espo...nsinua-que-Havelange-favoreceu-Brasil-em-1994
Whistle was blown ? Don't you agree that doesn't even look like a foul. Look at how the Spanish player jumps into the air before any contact.
Plus .... the whistle was blown well before the bicycle kick was taken ... how the Hell did the ref know that Puskas was going to pull that off ? Think about it. From the video, which is low quality, he may have called a push by Puskas. I don't really know what the ref called.
i think it was a clear goal for spain but lets hypothetically say it was not a goal what about santos when he used his arm to obstruct the ball from hitting the net in front of the ref it wd have been a penalty plus a sent off for santos and the result was back then 2/1 for brazil brazil would have lost the final most probabely
I can't say from the Video, but I suppose the ref saw someone off side (they is a Spanish player that appear on the left side of the screen, but it is impossible to say if he was off-site from the angle of the video). Notice also that the Spanish players didn't complaine about the call at all!! But I think it was a penalty (dive or not) and Santos was able to dub the refee into giving a free kick instead of a penalty. Error by the refee in our favor, I have no doubt about this one.
by the way guys the goal of said owairan against belgium was a result of a kind of black magic that saudi teams used to implement it u can see that the ball did not seem to leave him if u noticed the arms of the players like said owairan u will see the bandage that hides it another player scored against morrocco team using the same method i am from there and we practised these things for along time to win there are some admision from players who used it