The Asian Champions League Criteria Thread

Discussion in 'AFC: Tournaments' started by druryfire, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. koreansock

    koreansock Red Card

    Sep 28, 2009
    Club:
    Ulsan Horang I
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    Lol Tim. AFC is fcked up, get that through your head and stop trying to spark stupid arguments.

    The agreement was that you are fined a sum of AFC's liking if you don't take the AFC Cup seriously [ie. sending reserve squad, not promoting home matches] and you are fined $200,000 if you choose not to participate [dear clowns of AFC, a club will actually lose more money by taking part in the tournament]. If they don't think they can roll against the likes of Pohang in a two-legged tie, it's better for the club to give up the spot early and not deal with possible financial expenditures. There's nothing premature about their decision.

    AFC Cup is a tournament for the mickey mouses of Asia. Bridging the gap? My fcking ass. Pohang's U18 team can formulate a team capable of making out of the group stages. A team of Lioning's stature achieve nothing from winning the tournament and lose everything from not winning it. It also injects needless fatigue into the squad and for a team not expected to finish third ever again, they really need to focus on doing well in the CSL.
     
  2. timnicebutdim

    timnicebutdim Red Card

    Nov 21, 2011
    Thats complete bollocks KoreanSock. Look at Ulsan, they send youth teams around Asia who can't win tournaments, so to say Pohang U18 would get out of AFC group stage is bollocks.

    AFC also fund all travelling expenses, so where are they losing money?

    I'm not sparking arguments, I'm just talking the fact, your screwed up and started the argument.

    Thanks for knowing the rules anyway, 2 legegd playoff, he he, thats laughable. Know the facts before you start ranting.
     
  3. ChaDuRi671

    ChaDuRi671 Member+

    Dec 30, 2010
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Tim, if you want to win a argument you should first work on your grammar. Also I don't know where your getting your facts, but I have never heard of Ulsan sending their U18 team in any Asian tournaments. Also Pohang and Ulsan are two different teams, but traditionally Pohang is better. Koreansock was just sarcastically telling you a example to show you that the AFC Cup is for only minnow Asian club teams.
     
  4. greenlion

    greenlion Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    CHINA
    Club:
    Beijing Guoan
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    Tim there are also rumors that the whole CSL may withdrew from the ACL if the AFC still force top tier clubs to compete in AFC Cup, the fact is even AFC had lifted prize money for ACL it is well known that K-League, J-League and CSL clubs lose big money in Asian tournemants, say nothing of if they play in the AFC cup, which means AFC will pay noting to the clubs, including travelling expense
     
  5. Champagne14

    Champagne14 New Member

    Nov 21, 2011
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    It doesn't mean entirely you will lose money. If your league is strong in field performance, you can be confident that your team still qualify to play in ACL.

    The obvious example is Al Sadd, they are from the qualifying round and eventually they can lift the trophy in this year. If this year Qatar did not get more 1 play-off team, the champion in this year may be club from other nations.

    IMO, the qualifying round will help the ACL is more strong or competitive. Also, I personally think that this is the good decision from AFC to open more opportunity to more clubs to participate in ACL and lead to just like UEFA Champion league that no 4 teams qualify automatically to group stage (however still except Japan and Qatar).
     
  6. timnicebutdim

    timnicebutdim Red Card

    Nov 21, 2011
    For a Korean you obviously never heard of Ulsan entering the Grand Myanmar Cup for example or other SEA tournaments, thats poor from a Korean.

    Anyway my friend, I am not having an argument, I'm just stating what I feel and someone tries to jump all over it saying what a piece of crap it is, thats coming from someone who has never witnessed what he is talking about to begin with. It's poor to judge something that you don't have a clue about.

    Try telling the Kuwaiti's that AFC Cup is just for minnows, they could match on the field in ACL but never get an opportunity and now we have CSL talking off withdrawing because they are afraid of playing in AFC Cup, but they are only afraid because of what? Because they know they can't win fair in ACL, so they want to force AFC to change their rules to accomadate them. AFC should just remove their 3+1 allocation and just give them 3 spots, give the plus 1 to some other nation that doesn't whinge every time something doesn't work in their favour.
     
  7. koreansock

    koreansock Red Card

    Sep 28, 2009
    Club:
    Ulsan Horang I
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    Note to CoreanBoy671 - Don't respond further. We made our points and it's up to other posters whether or not to read it.

    It's not lucrative for clubs of certain stature to take part in a mickey mouse tournament--the same way countries avoided participating in Asian Champions League before the reformat of the 21st century--and especially so when they are asking you to take your first squad to Maldives in midweek. It adds unnecessary fatigue and expenditures that teams would rather not deal with. It has absolutely nothing to do with winning.

    Tim, the entire Chinese football is threatening to avoid taking part in the Champions League if it meant one of their club had to play in the AFC Cup. If you think you can make better corporate decisions than these football clubs, maybe you shouldn't be hanging around in this forum and you need go make yourself a first division football club.
     
  8. timnicebutdim

    timnicebutdim Red Card

    Nov 21, 2011
    Well done my friend, you obviously feel that AFC doesn't need to include anyone ouside of the current ACL criteria.

    It's kind of like when you ask for more slots for World Cup qualfiication and FIFA say no, but you can't understand why.

    Your obvioulsy not here for developing football but just keeping it to run along the same lines that it currently is.

    Clubs of certain stature? Which clubs you talking about here? Clubs of a high stature would make the group stage of ACL, clubs of a low stature wouldn't.

    Whats wrong with AFC Cup? The Chinese teams could meet a Syrian club or a Thai club, remembering that these nations have sent more clubs into the ACL final in the recent past than Chinese clubs have.

    Try to think of things before you post Mr Sock, or do you need you Corean friend to speak for you again? Seems one sock equals both.
     
  9. timnicebutdim

    timnicebutdim Red Card

    Nov 21, 2011
    Well, thats kind of laughable really. Guangzhou won't be pulling out thats for sure. What you mean to say is that CSL won't be putting clubs forward, but this happened last year with Singapore aswell. WHat happened? AFC invited clubs. They would simply invite the champions anyway.
     
  10. koreansock

    koreansock Red Card

    Sep 28, 2009
    Club:
    Ulsan Horang I
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    Repeated.

    Guy #1 - The club is forfeiting for the following reasons..
    Guy #2 - Well, those reasons are retarded.
    Guy #1 - Why are they retarded?
    Guy #2 - Because I say they are.
    Guy #1 - There are other clubs willing to forfeit with the club just to defend their friend.
    Guy #2 - Well, that's retarded too.

    Seems like there's only one thing for Guy #2 left to do, which is to gtfo this thread and create his own club.
     
  11. timnicebutdim

    timnicebutdim Red Card

    Nov 21, 2011
    What a load of drivel you just posted here. Doesn't even follow the discussion we have been having Mr Sockpuppet.
     
  12. koreansock

    koreansock Red Card

    Sep 28, 2009
    Club:
    Ulsan Horang I
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay
    You are going to have to recite for me what part I am not following because it seems to me like it is you who keep bringing back the conversation to square 1.

    Look dude, I understand that you are trying to defend the reputation of the AFC Cup, but it's not going to change the fact that it is a tournament for the Mickey Mouses of Asia. No one's going to read your posts and think, 'oh shit, Lioning really was a tool for forfeiting their qualification ticket'. Capeesh?
     
  13. timnicebutdim

    timnicebutdim Red Card

    Nov 21, 2011
    Sorry sir sockpuppet, but I'm talking about football and you started some random chat with yourself.

    Why do you keep saying mickey mouses of Asia? Only 5 years ago one of these mickey mouse teams were in the ACL final, just think of that for 1 minute and see whats changed since. Nothing has changed on the field, off the field it has.
     
  14. Champagne14

    Champagne14 New Member

    Nov 21, 2011
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    IMO, the difference between ACL and AFC cup is that the standard of the professional football league in each country; however, it doesn't mean that the performance in the field will also be different. I really believe that some top clubs from West side especially clubs from Kuwait, Syria, and Jordan can strongly play with current teams in ACL. Therefore, in the next occasion, I really want to see more teams from the West side to participate in ACL.
     
  15. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    i think druryfire will agree to the above.
     
  16. timnicebutdim

    timnicebutdim Red Card

    Nov 21, 2011
    And I agree with the above statement aswell. Just a pity some people can't seem to see through this.

    It does appear the Koreans opinions are all based on money and the travelling, but nothing about sportsmanship on the field of play. They would rather that anything that didn't include themselves was just shut out from the world.
     
  17. greenlion

    greenlion Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    CHINA
    Club:
    Beijing Guoan
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    I believe currentlly CSL is one of the richest League in asia, but still Liaoning is one of the smallest club in the league, and I've read in some neews that clubs may loose 1 million USD in ACL matches, even if they can qualify from the Group Stage, So I can understand shy Liaoning decided to pull out from the competetion. I'ts not about "Sportsmenship", unlike west asian where mos of the clubs was funded by government or oil money and they usually have a very very huge budget, most of the East Asian clubs have to have a careful consideration before spending their money, that means playing in AFC cup maybe a huge burden on financial
     
  18. HiJazzey

    HiJazzey Member

    Jan 29, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Al Ittihad Jeddah
    I don't see how they lose money. The AFC pays the travel expenses for away teams. From what I remember, the subsidy is very generous (enough for most to pocket the excess).
     
  19. greenlion

    greenlion Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    CHINA
    Club:
    Beijing Guoan
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    I've read in a Guo'an forum that AFC only pays for the travel expenses for 23 players and officers for a away match, but the club actually needs to carry on about 40 persons to away cities, includes doctors, translators and assistant coaches, clubs have to pay the extra fee from their own pockets,

    and actually when Guo'an hosts visit clubs they have to pay about 100,000 to 200,000 USD a match in their reception of AFC officers, refrees, visiting clubs, fans and media.
     
  20. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    The good ol AFC displaying more bias and incompetence, what else could be new. They somehow "draw" the Iranian teams with each other in the play-off, when there is usually a country-protection rule in situations like this, and the best part is, the winner of that match has to play yet another play-off match against the Saudi 4th team, when all the other play-off winners gain qualification in one match and the two Iranian teams are, at least on the paper, the the two best teams in the Western play-offs. In other words, the unfair 2+2 allocation they had given Iran, was practically reduced to 2+0.5. This is more proof that those in charge of AFC, are intentionally screwing Iran.
     
  21. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
  22. Deathstar

    Deathstar Member

    Apr 5, 2009
    Syd Er Knee
    Club:
    Central Coast Mariners
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Hmmmm.... that's one club per 38400 (approx) UAE national males. That's a recipe for success. Are they going to make playing football compulsory for all between the ages of 4 and 70?
     
  23. randomthoughts

    Jun 12, 2012
    I know this seems like silly argument, but considering how silly the AFC is right now. Why can't we do this

    West Asian conference vs East asian conference

    Teams from Iran, UAE, Saudi arabia, kuwait, and qatar could play two leg elimination against each other.

    Teams from Japan, SKorea, China, Australia, and whereever else could play a two leg elimiatation against each other.

    The two teams meet from the winning conferences meet for a 1 game winner takes all.

    It would cut down on traveling and games played. Just divide the teams down the middle. The only country that gets screwed is Uzbekistan.
     
  24. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    Complete crap, why should one nation get screwed?
     

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