College soccer and the YNTs - the writing is on the wall and it says "go pro ASAP."

Absolutely agree. Great points as usual. Problem is for guys,for instance,who would like to play outside of the US and aren't interested in MLS it is almost impossible to get trials.

 

Sandon, you make a good point. Hard to argue with those stats.

Having said that, it is very likely that 3 or 4 or more current college players will get a call up to the men's national team someday. The best current 18 and 19 year old players might be professionals now, because they are immersing themselves in the game 24/7. However, that does not mean they have the best technique, or the best athleticism, the best feel for the game, or the best psychological makeup to become a future member of the men's national team, or a future successful professional at age 25.

Those things will sort themselves out as these players mature from boys to men over the next 5-7 years.

 

Great post and great points. One thing that jumped out at me from the players you listed, was that two goalkeepers Bingham and MacMath are the only two who played college ball for 3 years. I watched Bingham play a fair amount at Cal. He's one who I think may have actually benefited from playing in college for 3 years. One year behind Stefan Frei, knowing he'd be the man soon, and two years as the starter. I don't think he was in the YNT mix before he went to Cal and wonder if he'd be in the mix if he was able to go pro earlier and simply ride the pine in the MLS.

MacMath may not have benefited from staying in college but it didn't seem to hurt his performance with the Philadelphia Union too much. When he stepped in for the injured Mondragon for a critical stretch, he seemed to play pretty well. He also remained the top choice keeper for the U-20s and I'd think he's still in the mix for the U-23s.

I guess what I'm saying is, for the field players it's clear getting into the pros is the best option, for the goalkeepers its not yet clear to me yet that one course is better than the other. Seems it likely depends on whether they'll get pt as a pro or have other development benefits that outweigh the game situations they'll face in college.

 

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Best commercial in college soccer yet?

 

May be true. Nonetheless not a bad commercial.

 

Going to extremes to prevent the other guy scoring without even looking to score themselves. Yes, that's Stanford soccer in a nutshell.

 

Wholeheartedly agree with you on this. I also think most young goalkeepers won't play four years (especially with the Gen Adidas incentive to leave at least a year early). I expect 4 years of college will be the exception for quality goalkeepers going forward. But, because of the later development timetable and the lack of pro options that will offer good playing opportunities for young keepers, college for at least a few years will probably remain the best option for many of them.

Either way, the field of talented young keepers seems to be pretty deep with some going to college and some not. The good news is that it seems pretty likely that at least one or two of these young guys will pan out as our next World Class first choice keeper.

 

hmmmmm

"U.S. Soccer Youth Technical Director Claudio Reyna will direct the U-23s during the camp..... Due to previous scheduling commitments, Porter will remain with the University of Akron men’s soccer team."


"Porter plans to have additional domestic camps early next year as the U-23 Men prepare for 2012 Olympic qualifying beginning in March. "

I'm just saying you might not have everyone involved named just yet.....

 

I don't think it should come as a shock that u23's are not college players. Those guys SHOULD all be professional players. If you are one of the best 20-30 players in America and 22 years old, I would hope you are a in a professional environment.

 

In an ideal world for US Soccer I think the U17, 18 20 and 23 should all be from professional clubs. You can probably throw in the U15 team as well. With new proposals in the NCAA for reduced Fall seasons and elimination of Spring seasons, the days of college kids at the national level or even future pro levels are happily dwindling.

 

I want the best players on these teams. I don't care if they slum it in college or play for a fancy club that spells its name with a diacritic.

 

Exactly. And a player at a good college program might be become a better player than he would have become as a professional. We are too quick to assume that all professional leagues are quality and that sitting on the bench in any foreign league is necessarily better than playing for a top U.S. college. I think many astute U.S. coaches and players would disagree.


To automatically assume a "professional" 18-22 years of age is better trained than a college amateur is a mistake. The answer is: it depends upon which professional club, which level team at the club (U19, reserve, first etc), which college, and the player's mental and physical attributes. It's case specific.


There are a lot of college baseball players better than players in the independent leagues and high and low Single A. Not too many American baseball fans would dispute that. But for some reason, when it comes to soccer, many on BS seem to believe the word "professional" carries universal meaning and significance.

 

The baseball analogy does not work because its apples to oranges. Clearly we have a system that works for that sport unlike what we currently have for soccer. Face it, we are second rate soccer nation and much of it has to do with our culture of college sports. What makes it worse is that the NCAA does not care about soccer. From the ridiculous americanizations with the clock to the unlimited substitutes, they continue to disrespect the game and make it harder for college soccer players to prepare themselves for the professional ranks.

Yes there are a few good coaches who actually know what they are doing, but they are few and far between. Most players get poor training and don't get enough games. US soccer will never realize its full potential until either the NCAA wises up and starts actually making an attempt to prepare college soccer players for the pros like they do with other sports or good players just avoid it altogether and go pro. It's current state is dysfunctional at best. Right now the conversation with the NCAA is one way. The current crop of dinosaurs up there just does not care.

 

College soccer gets way more credit for the state of US international soccer than it deserves.

 

When it all said and done doesn't this mean being a "successful" human being. To be a "pro" in the U.S. means aspiring to being a lowly paid professional in an american league. When you are done you are in a low pay scale for worldwide professional soccer and definitely low in life in the US. If you can go to college and get a valuable degree (not phys ed but business etc) you will find the College boys are way ahead at age 40 and had a good soccer career. This country still does not give lucrative contracts to teens and twenties like football and basketball. So is your aspiration to be in american pro league with the vague hope one day you'll be in Europe (how often has this happened) or do you want to go to NCAA and finish with a few years in the MLS and then having a good second career since you have a degree. The other option is you can go "pro" early and have a great american pro career, finish at 35 and spend years trying to remind your barmates that "I was important once". You'll convince me the club/pro system is the right way to go when you show me a comparison of the salaries and lifestyles of NCAA players at 45 compared to the club team guys. Also the NCAA guys have the fun of going to college in the first place.

 

Not really sure where to start with this post. The majority of these players you call "lowly" paid professionals still make relatively good money in comparison to the general populace. "Definitely low in life in the US"? Sure they don't make as much money as many of their European counterparts or many American athletes in other sports, but they get to do what they love and travel all over the place on someone else's dime. The money will come eventually as the sport grows and shocker, as guys improve at their craft. That means avoiding most NCAA college soccer programs.

Take a look at some of the average NFL salaries in the 80s:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-10-06-sw-labor-anniversary_N.htm

Don't forget that the MLS is a 16 year old league. You can go to school anytime. I'm 36 and working on my MBA.

 

Hasn't this always been considered inevitable? That national team quality players would have to forgo college and turn pro at an early age. The MLS academies were just the start. The next MLS CBA will be very important. Another bump in pay will bring even more players into the league.

College soccer might start to look like college tennis the past 20 years. Basically no real pro prospects with a bunch of experienced foreign journeymen types dominating.

 

The analogy is appropriate in this sense: just like a college baseball player may be a better player than a professional player in Single A, a college soccer player may be better than a professional in any number of lower level leagues, either in the U.S. or abroad. Moreover, the training and competition might be better as well, particularly if the professional player finds himself competing for playing time in the lower level league.

Also, college baseball has used metal bats for years, i.e., not "real" baseball. Nevertheless, the baseball scouts and managers understand that, for some, college is a great option.

 

College rules are a problem - no doubt. A kid like Wenger does not need 4 years of college. But MLS isn't so great for young kids. It will be very interesting to see how FC Dallas college players like Woodberry, Okwuono and Colemen do compared to the homegrown players they have signed. You are complaining that college players don't have enough games. Maryland will play about 25 games plus Spring games, plus pre-season games plus PDL games in the off-season. Meanwhile MLS has 10 reserve games.