Judge, Jury, and Executioner-The official CKR do or die poll

Discussion in 'Korea' started by Corporation X, Aug 10, 2011.

  1. dudedudedude

    dudedudedude Member+

    Aug 3, 2008
    Baltimore, MD
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Nice Video + Rep. 4-2-3-1 is my favorite formation. Spain did this the majority of the whole WC. Xabi Alonso = holding midfield/DM and Busquette = DM/ Holding midfield. This formation also gives room for Fullbacks to attack from the flank without leaving out so much space open since the DM's can cover. K-league doesn't seem to build players that have the capabilities of both DM and Holding midfielder qualities.
     
  2. msc43

    msc43 Member+

    Jul 6, 2011
    United States
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I think KSY and KJC could make a great central midfield duo. They possess good all-round skills and stamina. Hoping they can be the box-to-box keepers of pace and tempo for our midfield.
     
  3. dudedudedude

    dudedudedude Member+

    Aug 3, 2008
    Baltimore, MD
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    KSY has improved his defending skills but he's still below average. He can not be a DM. He rarely slide tackles. i'm still not convinced with GJC's DM duties b/c the guy loves to move forward. I consider GJC a CM. But... who knows GJC might learn how to become a proper DM at Wolfsburg. I do agree though they are our best Duo at the moment.

    LCY is a good defender and improved a lot. He is our most well-rounded player. I always remember that one match where he makes a mistake that led to a goal. He feels awful and then scores the equalizer towards the end of the match.
     
  4. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I dont think KJC and KSY will be dominating... but in a 4-2-3-1, they shuold provide some warm bodies to play a decent shape.
     
  5. jinseokyang

    jinseokyang Member+

    Feb 28, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    what about Nam Seung Woo in the long run?
     
  6. msc43

    msc43 Member+

    Jul 6, 2011
    United States
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Oh ye of little faith. ;)

    I'm really looking forward to Koo's campaign with Wolfsburg all the more because of the new roster changes. I don't see how KJC can't benefit from Magath's rigorous, grinding training sessions. A Magath-run team generally has plenty of stamina, discipline, and communications; all things necessary for good box-to-box midfield play.

    Also, KSY is having a great start to the SPL season as well. He will only get better with more playing time at Celtic.

    I see neither as strong, or even decent defensively. Hopefully their club careers will change that.
     
  7. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    They just have to be competent if we can organize our back four into something resembling a NT quality defense and we play a modern 4-2-3-1.
     
  8. msc43

    msc43 Member+

    Jul 6, 2011
    United States
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    You're right. Formation is the easy part. Selecting competent players with good chemistry is difficult. And chemistry is most important defensively. Trust me. I was both a DM and a chemistry major in Uni. :p
     
  9. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    You are putting the cart in front of the horse I think. The formations are not "modern" or "obsolete," it's players' abilities that made team suck or succeed.

    What CKR is trying to do is no good. But I don't see the current crop of players will be best suited by 4-2-3-1 either. The biggest flop to me: the lone striker's position. Where do you suppose to put both JDW and SHM?
     
  10. Chiwoo

    Chiwoo Member

    May 14, 2010
    Club:
    Busan I Park
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Son as lone striker and JDW in one of the wings.
     
  11. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Has he ever played at the wing? From what I've seen of him, he's pure number nine, hence the doubts.
     
  12. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    Formation is one of the most important factors in determining whether a side succeeds or fails.

    And I vehemently disagree. Our available players are best suited for the 4-2-3-1. It is the only formation we can play if we want to compete at the highest levels.

    I've already went through all my reasons, so I'll leave it at that.

    Yes. For the most recent examples, watch the Ghana match and both legs of the U23 Olympic qualifier against Jordan.
     
  13. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    I disagree. There are such things as modern and obsolete formations.

    Every top side in club and international level is moving towards a more fluid 1 top formation that packs the midfield and utilises the width of fullbacks.

    If we send our kids out in a 4-1-4-1 w/ KSY isolated deep and saddled with that much defensive responsibilities, it is akin to sending out soldiers in modern warfare with M1 rifles from several decades ago. CKR placed KSY in a position to fail. It is more of a structural/paradigm problem than an actor driven one.
     
  14. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
    Honolulu
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    sorry for taking this off track momentarily...it seems to be the busiest thread here.

    Can someone do me a huge favor and post or direct me to a link for the new ADTHE or sports channel please? Im trying to catch the Indians game today featuring Shin Soo.

    TIA
     
  15. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    atdhenet (and then) .tv

    put them together... ;)
     
  16. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
    Honolulu
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    awesome.....
     
  17. Corporation X

    Corporation X Member+

    Sep 9, 2009
    Suckmydickastan
    Isn't it preferable to have the much taller target if you're playing one top? JDW holds up the ball or knocks it down. I see SHM more as the one with quick feet and excellent dribbling skills cutting inside from the left and taking a shot. What am I missing?
     
  18. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    Nothing... It's just that JDW isn't clinical yet. He needs to learn how to be a true No. 9. Once he develops a ruthless scoring habit, we should place him up top.
     
  19. msc43

    msc43 Member+

    Jul 6, 2011
    United States
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    In my mind, Ji won't be able to be our No.9 unless he beats out Gyan for the top spot at Sunderland... which may or may not happen.
     
  20. KOKI548

    KOKI548 New Member

    Aug 31, 2011
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    To be honest, I want the Korean team to have another foreign coach. Just like how we rocked the 2002 World Cup with Guus Hiddink and just like how Japan is rockin the wave with their Italian coach now, the team needs more leadership and talent rubbed on them by foreign coaches. Coach Cho didn't do THAT bad of a job; however, we need to keep moving forward at a fast pace cause we have no time for a step back especially after that horrible friendly with Japan last month.
     
  21. KyopoOhNo

    KyopoOhNo Member+

    Aug 3, 2010
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    A foreign coach will only get you so far. Fact: No team has ever won the world cup with a foreign coach.
     
  22. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Fact, Korea has never won the WC :rolleyes:

    And probably won't anytime soon. But a foreign manager can accelerate the development of your program especially when local alternatives may be overwhelmed against world class programs.
     
  23. Korvinus

    Korvinus Member

    Juventus
    Mar 24, 2007
    How so? A manager can't manipulate time which he needs lots of, but won't get.

    World class programs sound more like "we invested suitcases of cash for the past decades and were able to successfully copy and explore the various theories and styles around the world." Basically, meticulous management and use of money (and lots of it). e.g. Japan, J-League
     
  24. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    1. Bring an eye less jaded by reputation or age hierarchy or performance in k/j league

    2. Bring in a system that is realistic for the level of talent... and identify defensive holes that need patching that may not be visible when playing minnows like WCQs

    3. When they exit, bring one or more players with them back to their european club.

    4. Understand the tactics that stronger opponents are going to do, and deploy suitable countertactics, both in preparation and in game.

    5. Have a realistic expectations of the demands of our European players and their club commitments and realize that earning a starting 11 spot is far more beneficial than being shipped back to korea every other month for a meaningless friendly.
     
  25. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Note that I also understand that we probably couldn't afford a manager to do any of these things. I dunno where all the friendly monies goes. Can't we hit up a chaebol for some money? :D
     

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