All-Purpose TEA Party Thread

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  1. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
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  2. guignol

    guignol Moderator
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    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
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    a classic phenomenon, natural, predictable... as old as society itself.

    grassroots populists, once in power, have always proven to be the most spineless, self-serving and corruptible of politicians, whether in the roman republic, renaissance city-states or melanesian cargo cults.

    they're simply not up to the task, don't have the breeding. the honor of the old noble families, the Rohan, the Esterházy, the Taira, was more important than life itself. no greedy pilfering or transient self-glorification was worth the blot on the escutcheon it would bring.

    of course the codes of chivalry and bushido are no eternal guarantee: those values were crumbling even before a rough century of revolutions political, industrial and cultural swept their rubble away.

    the closest america came to a dynasty that took its responsability to the body politic seriously was the Rockefellers, perhaps the Kennedys, and even that wasn't glorious. no other fortuned family, armour, vanderbilt or bush, ever had any inkling that money and power could serve a purpose other than personal gain.

    but a nation always gets the leadership it deserves. the fault, dear countrymen, lies not in our palins and clintons, but in ourselves.
     
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  3. steve-o

    steve-o New Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Would you include the Carnegie's?
     
  4. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    The tea party has never been about anything more than strumming the rubes. That is the entire function of everything the Republican party pretends to stand for. In reality the GOP is only concerned with concentrating resources to their cronies and themselves. All else is BS.
     
  5. minerva

    minerva Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Denver, CO
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    I think you're right on, and you especially nailed it with your last paragraph.
    as long as US Americans care more about football and reality TV shows than the state of their country, and the quality of their leadership, they will continue to get self-serving crap for leaders. as long as US Americans are content to be fat, dumb, and happy, their leaders will be content to pander to them, while robbing them and serving their own interests.
     
  6. steve-o

    steve-o New Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    And the great thing about this country is that your neighbor can be fat, dumb, and happy watching the latest installment of American Idol while you can be active, smart, while lining your own pockets.
     
  7. minerva

    minerva Member+

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    indeed. and the one thing we both have in common is that we are both happy doing our own thing and neither of use gives a farthing about holding our leaders accountable. and that is why we get what we get, and why we deserve what we get.
     
  8. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    The Dems loaded the tax bill with earmarks because they knew that the Reeps wouldn't shoot down a bill that has goodies for the top 2%. Push come to shove, addressing the deficit or fixing earmarks is less important than cutting the estate tax.
     
  9. steve-o

    steve-o New Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    That's bush league. You're bitching about addressing the deficit and going to introduce a bill that increases spending and cuts taxes. I've heard this story before...
     
  10. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Do you support the bill or reject it?
     
  11. minerva

    minerva Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
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    American politics is truly a sausage factory. you don't really want to know how it's done or what all goes into it. just watch your football game and your keeping up with the kardashians and pay not attention to the man behind the mask.
     
  12. steve-o

    steve-o New Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    As a whole, I reject it. What about you?
     
  13. minerva

    minerva Member+

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    just curious, did anyone have any misgivings about this, that this is exactly the way it was going to happen?
     
  14. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I like that you reject the bill. It means that you're not willing to sell your dislike for federal deficits and for earmarks down the river in exchange for goodies for the top 2%.

    The Reeps who support the bill, on the other hand, are as Hertha states -- stooges for the rich who will toss their principles out the window if you help their friends. And that's most of them, my friend.
     
  15. minerva

    minerva Member+

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    it's easy to stand on principles when you don't have any interest ($$$$) at stake. that's why the average Rep, who has no interest at stake, will oppose the bill and stand on principle (debt reduction), but Rep lawmakers, who have some interest at stake from those top 2% will support the bill. and don't pretend you wouldn't find a way to rationalize it to yourself and vote for the bill if you were in the same position. you're just being pragmatic after all.
     
  16. steve-o

    steve-o New Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    The Reps who support the bill aren't my representatives.

    What I don't understand is how you can fault the Reeps for throwing their principles out the window but you don't fault the Dems for playing politics while the economy is still on fragile footing. The tax issue is a necessity that needs to be dealt with moving forward. The earmarks aren't - they've gotten by without introducing increased spending thus far, they will continue to make it without them.
     
  17. minerva

    minerva Member+

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    have you seen how the Dems did in the last election??
    they have to have something to bring home to their constituents for the next election cycle. it's all about self preservation at this point.
     
  18. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    The Dems are at fault. They can take the ethanol subsidy, place it far up their collective backsides, and ignite. If they want to do earmarks, do them elsewhere.

    There. I said it.
     
  19. Kobranzilla

    Kobranzilla Member

    Sep 6, 2001
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    Tea Party Nation Founder wants to ban the Methodist church

     
  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Except for the fact that in other countries they'd be watching German Idol or Albanian Idol or Danish Idol, how are we unique on this?

    This is a common cliche, and I just wonder why people write it. In all sincerity, I'm curious...did you just put it out there as a cliche without thinking about it? Or did you think about it and then write it?

    The whole idea of stringent American exceptionalism baffles me. I don't understand how smart people can believe it. So, I'll ask a smart person* why he believes it.

    *Merry Christmas steve-o.
     
  21. guignol

    guignol Moderator
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    Apr 28, 2005
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    very good point. france has all the same shows, either licensed versions or ripoffs. and if france and germany have arte there's also PBS. and if faux news is really one of a kind, network news here is no great shakes either.

    there is a difference, but only one of degree.

    europe is following steadfast in the tracks of american overconsumption, anti-intellectualism and general decline physical, social and cultural. in fact they're accelerating rapidly: twenty years ago they were 30 years behind; today 20, perhaps only 10.
     
  22. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Yeah, but we're still leading the pack!

    USA!!! USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!

    [/pauses to catch breath and worry about pain in chest and shoulder]
     
  23. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    just to set the record straight about american exceptionalism and how everyone wants to be like us...

    American Idol - UK did it first
    Dancing with the stars - UK 1st
    Skating with the stars - UK 1st
    Big Brother - netherlands 1st
    Survivor - Sweden 1st

    Maybe that wasn't exactly your point though.

    But anyway - I'm pretty sure the best reality tv show was fully created in america - America did Joe Millionaire 1st...
     
  24. bobbybhoy1

    bobbybhoy1 Member

    Jul 27, 2007
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    Bullsh*t its the one with the midgets and pitbulls....
     
  25. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
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    Is there really any such thing as the "best" reality show? Is that like being the smartest brain-dead idiot? Or the most agile quadriplegic?
     
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