Futbol: Otras partes del mundo Part 19 [R]

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  1. BorrachoNJ

    BorrachoNJ New Member

    Apr 8, 2001
    NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ

    aside from a shitty-ass tournament, SA was $ucce$$ful, yes, but africa has been in the cards for a while to host.

    i'm not sure but there is just a tad few africans in top leagues. can anyone confirm?:D
     
  2. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i have nothing personally against Qatar...but a country the size of Connecticut, 1.7 million people and heat that makes Tierra del Fuego feel pleasant..... Sure, get those stadia with AC capabilites.... but what are fans to do after the 90 minutes are up!??! OH, well.. gotta put all the money into them 2014 garotas i guess.....
     
  3. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    Nah, it's "oh, but they don't even have a good league!" (The US didn't have a league PERIOD when they hosted. Korea and Japan had equally crappy as Qatar.)

    "It's too hot!" (Air conditioned stadiums. Plus, the US and Mexico in July are only marginally cooler and 3 WCs were there)

    "There's nothing to do!" (They're obviously gonna set up shit for the people going. It'll be fun but without the pesky, smelly and strange locals... the way they tried to make South Africa)

    "It's all about the money!" (No fuking shit. Just like it was all about the money when the US got it. In fact, when the US got it it was even more obviously all about the money. To this day, most people in the US not only don't care about soccer but a bunch are actually hostile to it. The SportsCenter douches ridicule it just about every single day. I'm pretty sure Qatar doesn't have that.)

    The only legitimate gripe is "I wanted it to be 10 minutes from now house and now it won't be so I'm pissed"
     
  4. ROMERO879

    ROMERO879 Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
  5. FARFAN 17

    FARFAN 17 Member

    Jan 29, 2005
    Back in NJ :(
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    LOL

    [​IMG]

    Geography isn't your strongest subject is it?
     
  6. BorrachoNJ

    BorrachoNJ New Member

    Apr 8, 2001
    NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ
    Hold up. I know we're supposed to feel bad every time you come at us with poverty-stricken vs. the rich and famous to push us to volunteer and donate and shit but Qatar's not exactly a suppressed state, last I checked (well, aside from the Indian and Pakistani immigrants slaving away there.)

    I can't believe you're gonna expand on lil' Foca's trying-to-be-legitimate argument that everyone doesn't wanna give it to the ill-perceived Arab nation.:rolleyes: Thought you were keener than that.:D

    Hell, I would rather they gave it to Saudi Arabia or fukin' Iran. They have way more history than Qatar futbol-wise.

    As for USandA, Japan and Korea, FIFA called it right to expand the game's presence there. Sure, it's not the most attractive but MLS, K-League and J-League fans would shudder at your comparison to Qatar's.

    Qatar signed Batigol, Stefan Effenberg and Canniggia to try and legitimize their league. Only hundreds showed up in 30K stadiums. So they tried to raffle off prizes to peeps to take home $1 million dollars at halftime. Still, no one showed. They're now signing shitty ass players to just have some sort of "league."

    Forget MLS stats---we know how you feel about their "business and brand." Check attendance and league stats for Korea and Japan. They had pretty decent figures prior to them hosting and continue to have a steady flow.

    Qatar is simply a fluke. The FIFA fukers can now retire healthy now that they were able to push up the naming of two host nations 8 and 12 years from now......before they $quit$.
     
  7. AL#7

    AL#7 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Australia
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Well Qatar has a lot of money and...weren't there rumours of bribes going on around FIFA!?

    I don't mind anyways, even if the WC is in Antartica, so long as Peru makes it:cool:
     
  8. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ok, so i messed up.... (ever since childhood i thought this was a hot place, one learns something new every day...)
    funny btw that the supposedly highest ever recorded temp ever in South America is 120 F....in Rivadavia, Argentina

    Let's look at Qatar, from the Qataris perspective....
    http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topi...=383281&parent_id=16&template_id=36&version=1

    "The meteorological department currently records temperatures at its site at Doha International Airport, and it was there that the record-breaking temperature of 50.4°C was recorded in July of this year.
    Explaining that there is a difference between the actual recorded temperature and what is known as ‘felt temperature,’ he noted that many people may have recorded highs above the 50.4°C officially registered and used by the World Meteorological Organsiation.
    However, he pointed that there are a number of factors which contribute to such a difference, currently believed to be around plus or minus 6°C in Qatar.
    “People record the temperatures in the car, but there are so many factors which affect this such as heat radiated from the asphalt, heat from the surrounding cars’ exhausts and even the heat generated by the car itself,” he argued."

    50.4 celsius = 123 F..... JUst saying ...

    I guess next time the US presents it s bid we ought to go with DEath VAlley, CA as a site...it's only a few degrees higher.. plus who would not like be intimidated by "Death Valley Stadium"
     
  9. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So how about women's rights, access to alcohol and everything else that comes with being a strict MUslim nation? NOthing to mind there provided palms are greased? JUst saying (And like i said before, i do not care if oil money goes towards infrastructure, where in the past it has gone to far worse things.... so in that regard, it's not a bad thing at all.... and IF it advances (highly unlikely, some nations are just awfully good at keeping the status quo) human rights .... so be it... that'd be great .... not holding my breath, but hoping (perhaps foolishly) for the best....

    BTW, i see you reverted back to hating on the US.... Welcome back, Lou
     
  10. Peruco83

    Peruco83 Member+

    May 8, 2005
    Hamden, CT
    if FIFA really wants to revolutionize the world through futbol then they should also have the Women's World Cup in Qatar. :D
     
  11. CIA

    CIA Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    Club:
    Hijos de Acosvinchos
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Didn't it take a good amount of years for the NASL's attendance records to rise after they also started investing on has-beens?

    Sure FIFA say they chose it to host the WC to grow the sport in the country, but we all know it was because of the mullah. It's the exact same case in Qatar.

    The only true concern is that the country about the size of fukin Puerto Rico.
     
  12. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    Um, NASL failed. :p
     
  13. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    Those rumors in the British media were said to have played a part in FIFA not awarding it to England because they were pissed two of their fellow officials were in the reports.
     
  14. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    Buena!

    Stick that in your Hookah pipe and smoke it. :p
     
  15. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Member

    Jul 8, 2010
    fukin' Puerto Rico.
     
  16. mendozavr

    mendozavr Member+

    Mar 22, 2008
    Seattle, WA
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    If you guys had any doubt about what makes the world go 'round, exhibit A right here people. All you have to ask is: cui bono?

    And anyways some of the hate/anger is warranted...imagine if Peru lost a bid to Qatar, we'd all be burning Quatari flags. :eek:

    For a new bid, how about Egypt/Israel, wouldn't that be cool and actually forward-thinking? Better than rewarding an oil dealer country that contributes nothing to society but sustain oil dependencies the world over. Do they even invest in alternative energies, but look! Solar-powered stadiums! Ooo, I want one! :rolleyes:
     
  17. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703377504575651103941330246.html

    Even as FIFA's selections were announced, new questions were raised about how Qatar secured its win.
    According to a former employee of the Qatar bid team, at least one adviser recommended that the Qatar Football Association make a payment of $78.4 million to help the Argentina Football Association, or AFA, dig out of a financial crisis that threatened the country's domestic league. This person said the payment was meant to help Qatar's relationship with AFA President Julio Grondona, who is a member of FIFA's executive committee.

    AFA Spokesman Ernesto Cherquis Bialo denied any payment was made. "The first I've heard of it," he said. Mr. Cherquis Bialo said AFA "has no debt to Qatar, nor any other overseas entity." FIFA ballots are secret, and Mr. Cherquis Bialo said he doesn't know how Mr. Grondona voted. Reached at his hotel in Zurich, Mr. Grondona also strongly denied the Qataris made any payment
    Sheikh Mohammed bin Hamad Al-Thani, chairman of Qatar's bid, couldn't immediately be reached for comment. But Thursday night he addressed separate allegations that Qatar and Spain had a vote-trading deal. "There was no alliance," he said. "That was a rumor that got started and there was no truth to it."

    According to the former employee of the Qatar bid, Qatar approached several executive committee members and offered to train young players under the auspices of its Aspire Academy for Sports Excellence, or build similar academies in their home countries.

    The former employee also said the delegation traveled to Spain last year to form an alliance with Spanish bid leaders in hopes of securing votes from the Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries in South America.
    ...
    Grondona and bribery, NO WAY!
    BTW, get ready to welcome back vuvuzelas...
     
  18. Broncano

    Broncano Moderator

    Jul 31, 2006
    Lima
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Un par de días antes el excelente periodista argentino Ezequiel Fernández Moores lo advirtió en su columna de La Nación

    http://www.canchallena.com/1329667-votacion

    Este es el final pero les recomiendo el artículo completo

     
  19. Peruco83

    Peruco83 Member+

    May 8, 2005
    Hamden, CT
    excellent article. The British press always go after Blatter and so would any country with a free press.. u think he'll have to go trough that in Russia and Qatar? Assigning WCs in those countries are like a free pass to back door dealings with everyone looking the other way.
     
  20. Peruco83

    Peruco83 Member+

    May 8, 2005
    Hamden, CT
  21. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    I'm not defending the Qatar selection, I don't think it's exactly a good one.

    I'm just annoyed at the outrage expressed by Americans. No, the conditions aren't exactly the same as the ones that granted the US the cup, but the parameters are the same, it's very clear.

    So I'm pretty much saying is that the FIFA-is-all-about-the-money idea (which is correct) has been very kind to the US and that they shouldn't feel bad (maybe they should even feel good) that another filthy-rich country received an unfair bid.


    Obviously, there are no humane considerations involved because if there were, the country that occupies and invades other nations, the one that funds dictators, the biggest arm dealer in the world, would have never gotten 1994 :).

    And "hating the US"?? C'mon, man, that's Republican hick talk. Anyone that criticizes American attitudes does so out of "hate"? In any case, none of the stuff I've said is any less true whether I love, hate or am apathetic towards the US.

    I'm just trying to give some perspective. It amazes me how Americans, both native and foreign-born, have this tremendous arrogance and sense of entitlement that when they don't get their way they throw a hissy fit. This is what unfairness feels like, deal with it.
     
  22. BorrachoNJ

    BorrachoNJ New Member

    Apr 8, 2001
    NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ
    psst. check out the reactions from the australians and from the polite Asian countries that were up for hosting too. the parameters aren't the same but I already explained that.

    there's no perspective at all actually when one of your disciples brings non-chalant garbage arguments while all of us -- always receptive to political overtones that our bullshit discussions here try to stray from but somehow gets thrown into the mix -- argue about the sadness that our beautiful game gets when it's stained by anything other than sport....especially in this case where no social issues were raised only the lack of touch in Q22 and Fifa, homey.
     
  23. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    I just think that deciding WC2022's location in 2010 is way too premature, a lot of things can happen in 12 years that may affect where the event could take place.
     
  24. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    Well, I'm more concerned with the US since it's the country I live in. Plus, I would have to look for the reactions from other places to be annoyed by them while I'm inundated with the American reaction. Big difference there.


    I'm only responsible for my posts, dawg. What Foca says is his business.

    And everything is political, whether we like it or not. There's no such thing as "pure sport" when we're dealing with countries, government, the economy, culture, power, etc.
     
  25. BorrachoNJ

    BorrachoNJ New Member

    Apr 8, 2001
    NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ
    i'll hold you to that next time you stick your little nose in others' affairs that doesn't involve Peru, US&A or Texas.:D


    suffice to say, i was hoping that footy would be excluded from this.:(
    it's really the only hope i had for, ever.....thanks for stomping on that, killjoy.:mad:
     

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