Match 12: New Zealand - Slovakia Post-Match Thread [R]

Discussion in 'GROUP F: Italy, Paraguay, New Zealand, Slovakia' started by sidspaceman, Jun 14, 2010.

  1. Ben Sahar redded

    Ben Sahar redded Red Card

    Jun 8, 2010
    Club:
    Espanyol Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Israel
    The 1st round isn't even over yet and the UEFA Teams are being counted out already? haha Isn't this Slovakia's first Cup? I would cut them some slack, they're still the better team than NZ and I'll say they get out of this group. Paraguay is the most overrated team in the group. NZ is the most underrated.
     
  2. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    They are very defensive to the point of bunkering because of the political situation in their country, too.

    They represent the pride of their nation, but the public doesn't even know their results unless they win. International games held in Pyongyan can only be attended by members of the military and politicians.

    If they lose, no one will know they lost --except through rumour, so everybody knows but not for sure. If they lost 5-0, the people would manage to know through the rumour mill and the government would have to punish them.

    So, they defend. A lot.
     
  3. Albirrojo

    Albirrojo Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    My last off topic post because these are not the Korean group threads but although I know the games are blacked out, there are stories coming out that the North Koreans cheered on their South Korean counterparts.
     
  4. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    took a gk blunder for Italy to draw

    Slovakia needed an offside goal to break down a limited team

    yeah Paraguay are the overated ones
     
  5. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
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    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    for sure, he did try and get involve towards the end, but its the lack of creativity in the midfield that hurts NZ as far as ball retention goes, even Leo Bertos the supposed "skillfull" one in midfield is kinda limited as far as playmaking goes

    but the fighting spirit does make up for it...not pretty to watch, rather painful to be honest, but you have to admire the fight in them
     
  6. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
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    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    after todays first half of North Korea

    NZ is the worst team:eek:

    however the gap isnt as huge as people thought, dont think they will get humilliated
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    yeah.

    In 82 i remember for about half the game with Scotland we were actually competing with guys like Kenny Dalgleish, Souness etc

    But then we had Rufer etc.

    The 2010 edition is excellent defensively - but the guys don't have the technical ability to cope with the full pressing.
     
  8. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Greece is the worst team of the cup, so far.

    If I were Greek, I'd be fuming. Total lack of balls by those guys.

    Otherwise, it's good to see that the distances are growing shorter and shorter. I never discounted the Kiwis, and even mentioned that they had a chance to beat the Slovaks.

    Actually, due to their physical style, depending on the ref, I'd say they have a chance against both Italy and Paraguay.

    Not that they are better, though. That North Korea only lost by a goal to Brazil doesn't meant they are almost the same as Brazil.
     
  9. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
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    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    Do you really think Greece is better than NZ? Purely on the basis each team's first game, I think both the Kiwis and the Norks are ahead of them.
     
  10. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    good call forgot about the Greeks (forgettable team;))

    Honduras still to play, in NZ they are in the bottom 3 to win the wc, lets see what they have to offer
     
  11. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    The New Zealand goal :
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtgSF82gw8s"]YouTube- winston reid goal new zealand vs slovakia (1-1) 15/06/2010 audio spanish[/ame]

    ... and the story about how the New Zealand goal scorer Winston Reid a few month back was contacted via facebook by 3News, that then also made the contact to the New Zealand head coach, who then persuaded Reid to play for New Zealand at the WC.. :D

    Watch the story by 3News ;
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/multimedia/tv/sports/33711.html
    and read more :
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/3443252/Reid-changes-mind-commits-to-All-Whites
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  12. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
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    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    I think it's nice that Reid chose to play for NZ, when he was in the frame for Denmark in the future. It makes a difference from duel internationals only choosing less celebrated teams because they have no chance making the better side.
     
  13. Loyalty

    Loyalty Member

    Jun 25, 2006
    Australia
    Well done NZ. Maybe you can be the 2010 fairytale story? Good luck in your future matches.
     
  14. Cody667

    Cody667 Member+

    May 10, 2010
    Sudbury, ON
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Interesting, if New Zealand can pull off a 0-0 against Italy they can afford to go all out against Paraguay. Not saying they will, but if they play a defense-only game I think they have a chance at a 0-0 result vs italy, if that happens and Slovakia and Paraguay were to draw too then this group gets very interesting
     
  15. Albirrojo

    Albirrojo Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    If not the best, one of the best days of the World Cup so far.

    I actually wrote to these blog guys and not about NZ or Slovakia, another group but I told them, "hey, don't call any of these games easy...." , bunch of numpties out there.
     
  16. Kiwimate

    Kiwimate New Member

    May 18, 2010
    Club:
    Wellington Phoenix
    It is the greatest result in NZ football history.

    The All Whites are a limited team who are slow and ponderous in midfield. It means our only tactic is to bomb it into the air and hope the strikers can do something with it. The downside to this is that it is very predictable and Slovakia were ready for it (by and large). They targeted our crap midfielders and shut most of them down. Bertos was well shut down. Vicelich was forced into the defensive line most of the time. Lochhead had a mare.

    It also means our midfielders are very conservative in attack and only push forward when there is a clear-cut opportunity.

    However, in that last five minutes, they threw caution to the wind and sent substitutes on (Christie and Wood) with instructions to farking charge the bloody box. They also sent Winston Reid forward. Funnily enough this paid dividends because all of a sudden the Slovaks were on the defensive and were essentially forced to play deep. The Slovaks thought they could afford to do this because the game was almost over anyway.

    Then Winston Reid of Takapuna by way of Denmark and Ngati Whatua stepped up and headed home the most important goal he has scored in his young footballing life and in the history of NZ football.

    Winston Reid is one of only a few Maori in the side in a sport traditionally played by naturalised european immigrants (most maori prefer rugby).

    The All Whites will get opened up by Italy - who will be hellbent on proving a point to their critics - by coming out with the intent of tearing NZ apart (which is very unItalian of them tbh). I just hope it won't be as bad as the drubbing the Socceroos got at the hands of the Germans, but it might well be.

    Paraguay will be licking their lips too.

    But for now, I'll enjoy the 1-1 draw whilst I can.
     
  17. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Ried is no doubt a talented centre back, but Denmark is especially strong in centre back position... Per Krøldrup may be getting older, but he is only the backup for younger players like Daniel Agger (25) and Simon Kjær (21) who is the most talented centre back in the Italian Serie A ... on the Danish U-21 NT Reid was also standing in the shadow of Mathias "Zanka" Jørgensen in the the fight for a spot on the Danish NT in the future, so he had probably started to get some doubts, if he would ever get the chance to play for Denmark.
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  18. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
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    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    Look... that's as may be, but I'm sure he would have won quite a few caps for Denmark if he'd resolved to make his international career with them. He's a versatile player, good going forward and also plays RB. He may never have been first choice CB, but there would have been opportunities in other positions on the field and when other players were unavailable.

    If he continues to develop at the current rate, he'd have been a very good chance for the 2014 Danish squad.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Well the most famous case with that was Rufer in the early 80s

    He was a world class striker - one of very best in Europe and playing for Bremen.

    He could have played for germany, yet chose NZ!

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3SmuDD12fY&NR=1"]YouTube- C2 : Finale 1992 : Werder Breme - Monaco : 2-0[/ame]
     
  20. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
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    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    I didn't realise that. For some reason I thought he was half Swiss.

    Rufer is a god. Best player ever to come out of OFC, including Australia.
     
  21. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    That was not the estimate i Denmark... Agger and Kjær are the most talented centre back duo in the World, and they will surely be playing in 2014 .... Ried is also older than "Zanka" I mentioned above, who has alredy been capped for Denmark... and ther is absolutely no chance that Ried would be considered for the right back position on the Danish NT.
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  22. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
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    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    Who would be ahead of him at RB? Jacobsen is old, and Kvist is a midfielder who will surely be playing that role in coming years as guys like Jorgensen and Gronkjaer retire.

    I'm not suggesting that he'd be in the first-choice starting XI, but as a squad player? It's not like you've got a surplus of versatile right-sided defenders in their early 20s.
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Looks like i have that screwed up - he seems to be half swiss - i can't find any info....

    He then got out of switzlerand who would never release him for NZ games and made the big time at Bremen
     
  24. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    yeah I thought he was half swiss aswell
     
  25. corporatesam

    corporatesam New Member

    Jun 16, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    New Zealand
    Well done All Whites :)

    Good luck in your next game against the current World Cup holders Italy.
     

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