Here is an analysis of the current points by country based on the first nation a player represented but according to the current nations of the world (splitting Russia, Ukraine etc for example). I've made exceptions to give Austria and Czech Republic half Bican's points each, and the same with Slovakia and Hungary for Kubala: Brazil 3016 points (23 players) Germany 1361 (11 players) Argentina 1346 (10 players) Holland 1205 (7 players) Italy 1191 (13 players) France 1077 (8 players) England 907 (7 players) Hungary 648 (7 players including Kubala) Portugal 460 (3 players) Northern Ireland 396 (1 player) Russia 273 (1 player) Denmark 111 (3 players) Uruguay 105 (4 players) Spain 85 (5 players) Austria 78 (2 players including Bican) Scotland 70 (1 player) Liberia 58 (1 player) Slovakia 42 (Kubala) Chile 39 (1 player) Paraguay 33 (1 player) Peru 33 (1 player) Wales 32 (1 player) Montenegro 31 (1 player) Romania 28 (1 player) Ukraine 27 (1 player) Serbia 24 (1 player) Mexico 23 (1 player) Bulgaria 22 (1 player) Czech Republic 18 (Bican) Sweden 12 (1 player) Poland 8 (1 player).
Extending it to look at the honourable mentions (players in someone's top 100 but not top 50): Domingos Da Guia Lilian Thuram Gianluigi Buffon Pavel Nedved Marcel Desailly Denis Law Josef Masopust Ryan Giggs Jimmy Greaves Kazimierz Deyna Rob Rensenbrink John Robertson Roger Milla Preben Elkjaer Jean Tigana Jan Ceulemans Glenn Hoddle Pierre Littbarski John Barnes Enzo Scifo Claudio Caniggia Paul Gascoigne Gianfranco Zola Davor Suker Henrik Larsson David Beckham Robinho Ruud van Nistelrooy Johnny Rep Wolfgang Overath Paul Breitner Ademir Marques de Menezes Angel Labruna Javier Zanetti Claude Makalele Luis Monti Fernando Peyroteo Alberto Spencer Cesar Cueto Ricardo Zamora England 5 players France 4 Argentina 4 Brazil 3 Holland 3 Germany 3 Czech Republic 2 Scotland 2 Belgium 2 Italy 2 Wales 1 Poland 1 Cameroon 1 Denmark 1 Croatia 1 Sweden 1 Portugal 1 Ecuador 1 Peru 1 Spain 1.
A little change to this analysis as I had Duncan Edwards down as German on my spreadsheet by mistake! Germany below Argentina now with England still behind France as adjusted below (using my original post):
That's OK Schwuppe, everyone including me seems to be adjusting their rankings. It's better to have as realistic a vote as possible I think.
Right, here is my updated list. There are a few significant changes, but I'm keeping Cruyff no. 1. 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Pelé 3. Diego Maradona 4. Franz Beckenbauer 5. Ferenc Puskás 6. Alfredo di Stéfano 7. Garrincha 8. Michel Platini 9. Gerd Müller 10. Eusébio 11. Zico 12. Bobby Charlton 13. Ronaldo 14. Zinedine Zidane 15. Marco van Basten 16. George Best 17. Lev Yashin 18. Stanley Matthews 19. Paolo Maldini 20. Josef Bican 21. Lothar Matthäus 22. László Kubala 23. Giuseppe Meazza 24. Didi 25. Franco Baresi 26. Roberto Baggio 27. Zizinho 28. Ruud Gullit 29. Sándor Kocsis 30. Bobby Moore 31. Roberto Rivelino 32. Romário 33. Fritz Walter 34. Rivaldo 35. José Manuel Moreno 36. Uwe Seeler 37. Raymond Kopa 38. Leônidas 39. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 40. Gunnar Nordahl 41. Luis Suárez 42. Daniel Passarella 43. Just Fontaine 44. Matthias Sindelar 45. Francisco Gento 46. Dino Zoff 47. Elías Figueroa 48. Gianni Rivera 49. Telmo Zarra 50. Thierry Henry
Thanks Kyle, I'll reveal the new standings tomorrow sometime. Beckenbauer sneaking ahead of Puskas in your top few then, but more changes including new entries into your top 50 lower down.
After KyleP's adjustments to his vote: 1 Pele 499 2 Diego Maradona 481 3 Johan Cruyff 479 4 Alfredo Di Stéfano 465 5 Franz Beckenbauer 451 6 Michel Platini 436 7 Ferenc Puskás 435 8 Garrincha 402 9 Eusebio 396 10= George Best 391 10= Zico 391 12 Zinedine Zidane 374 13 Bobby Charlton 371 14 Ronaldo 367 15 Gerd Müller 344 16 Marco van Basten 341 17 Lev Yashin 288 18 Bobby Moore 275 19 Romario 263 20 Franco Baresi 251 21 Paolo Maldini 250 22 Lothar Matthäus 236 23 Didí 210 24 Stanley Matthews 208 25 Ruud Gullit 199 26 Roberto Baggio 187 27 Rivelino 180 28= Giuseppe Meazza 157 28= Zizinho 157 30 Ronaldinho 148 31 Leonidas 139 32 Raymond Kopa 134 33 José Manuel Moreno 133 34 Ladislao Kubala 104 35 Fritz Walter 96 36 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 95 37 Thierry Henry 88 38= Gianni Rivera 87 38= Sandor Kocsis 87 40 Dino Zoff 77 41 Dennis Bergkamp 75 42 Kenny Dalglish 70 43 Matthias Sindelar 67 44= Lionel Messi 65 44= Rivaldo 65 46 Peter Schmeichel 59 47 George Weah 58 48 Paolo Rossi 54 49= Adolfo Pedernera 51 49= Michael Laudrup 51 49= Johan Neeskens 51 52 Luís Figo 50 53 Daniel Passarella 49 54 Omar Sivori 43 55 Jürgen Klinsmann 42 56 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41 57 Sandro Mazzola 40 58 Elías Figueroa 38 59 Josef Bican 37 60= Luis Suarez 36 60= Just Fontaine 36 60= Hector Scarone 36 63= Roberto Carlos 34 63= Frank Rijkaard 34 65= Arsenio Erico 33 65= Teófilo Cubillas 33 67= John Charles 32 67= Mario Kempes 32 67= Gordon Banks 32 67= Giacinto Facchetti 32 71= Dejan Savicevic 31 71= Kaká 31 73= Gheorghe Hagi 28 73= Nilton Santos 28 73= Gyorgy Sarosi 28 73= Falcao 28 77= Andriy Shevchenko 27 77= Cafú 27 77= Uwe Seeler 27 80 Gabriel Batistuta 26 81 Duncan Edwards 25 82= Carlos Alberto 24 82= Jairzinho 24 82= Dragan Dzajic 24 82= Artur Friedenreich 24 86= Valentino Mazzola 23 86= Hugo Sanchez 23 88 Hristo Stoichkov 22 89 José Leandro Andrade 21 90= Tom Finney 18 90= Cristiano Ronaldo 18 92 Jozsef Bozsik 16 93 Nándor Hidegkuti 15 94= Francisco Gento 12 94= Tostao 12 94= Kevin Keegan 12 97 Gunnar Nordahl 11 98= Djalma Santos 10 98= Francesco Totti 10 98= Gaetano Scirea 10 101= Emilio Butragueño 9 101= Eric Cantona 9 103= Zbigniew Boniek 8 103= Sepp Maier 8 105= Enzo Francescoli 7 105= Matthias Sammer 7 105= Oliver Kahn 7 108 Raul 6 109 Fabio Cannavaro 5 110= Robert Pires 4 110= Gerson 4 112= Telmo Zarra 2 112= Patrick Vieira 2 112= Gary Lineker 2 115= Fernando Redondo 1 115= Socrates 1 115= Brian Laudrup 1
Using the 10 votes so far this is how it pans out in each position/role. I've included players in two roles if they were probably equally good at both but if they were better at one then they aren't included in another even if they would be deemed good enough to be amongst the best in that role possibly. I hope you don't mind Peru that I've also adjusted the roles, merging defensive midfielders with central midfielders and re-defining support strikers as support attackers to include modern wing forwards as well as attacking inside forwards/deep lying strikers etc. I've put Platini as an attacking midfielder but generally players that played in central midfield, even if very creative/frequent goalscorers are included as central midfielders: Goalkeepers 17 Lev Yashin 288 (Soviet Union) 40 Dino Zoff 77 (Italy) 46 Peter Schmeichel 59 (Denmark) 67= Gordon Banks 32 (England) 103= Sepp Maier 8 (Germany) 105= Oliver Kahn 7 (Germany) Centrebacks / Sweepers 5 Franz Beckenbauer 451 (Germany) 18 Bobby Moore 275 (England) 20 Franco Baresi 251 (Italy) 53 Daniel Passarella 49 (Argentina) 58 Elías Figueroa 38 (Chile) 67= John Charles 32 (Wales) 98= Gaetano Scirea 10 (Italy) 105= Matthias Sammer 7 (Germany) 109 Fabio Cannavaro 5 (Italy) Fullbacks 21 Paolo Maldini 250 (Italy) 63= Roberto Carlos 34 (Brazil) 67= Giacinto Facchetti 32 (Italy) 73= Nilton Santos 28 (Brazil) 77= Cafú 27 (Brazil) 82= Carlos Alberto 24 (Brazil) 89 José Leandro Andrade 21 (Uruguay) 98= Djalma Santos 10 (Brazil) Central Midfielders 12 Zinedine Zidane 374 (France) 13 Bobby Charlton 371 (England) 22 Lothar Matthäus 236 (Germany) 23 Didí 210 (Brazil) 49= Johan Neeskens 51 (Holland) 60= Luis Suarez 36 (Spain) 63= Frank Rijkaard 34 (Holland) 73= Gheorghe Hagi 28 (Romania) 73= Falcao 28 (Brazil) 81 Duncan Edwards 25 (England) 89 José Leandro Andrade 21 (Uruguay) 92 Jozsef Bozsik 16 (Hungary) 110= Gerson 4 (Brazil) 112= Patrick Vieira 2 (France) 115= Fernando Redondo 1 (Argentina) 115= Socrates 1 (Brazil) Attacking Midfielders 2 Diego Maradona 481 (Argentina) 6 Michel Platini 436 (France) 10= Zico 391 (Brazil) 13 Bobby Charlton 371 (England) 27 Rivelino 180 (Brazil) 28= Zizinho 157 (Brazil) 30 Ronaldinho 148 (Brazil) 35 Fritz Walter 96 (Germany) 38= Gianni Rivera 87 (Italy) 44= Rivaldo 65 (Brazil) 49= Michael Laudrup 51 (Denmark) 57 Sandro Mazzola 40 (Italy) 60= Luis Suarez 36 (Spain) 65= Teófilo Cubillas 33 (Peru) 71= Kaká 31 (Brazil) 103= Zbigniew Boniek 8 (Poland) 105= Enzo Francescoli 7 (Uruguay) 115= Brian Laudrup 1 (Denmark) Side Midfielders / Wingers 8 Garrincha 402 (Brazil) 10= George Best 391 (N.Ireland) 24 Stanley Matthews 208 (England) 52 Luís Figo 50 (Portugal) 82= Jairzinho 24 (Brazil) 82= Dragan Dzajic 24 (Yugoslavia) 90= Tom Finney 18 (England) 94= Francisco Gento 12 (Spain) 110= Robert Pires 4 (France) Support Forwards 1 Pele 499 (Brazil) 2 Diego Maradona 481 (Argentina) 3 Johan Cruyff 479 (Holland) 4 Alfredo Di Stéfano 465 (Argentina) 7 Ferenc Puskás 435 (Hungary) 10= Zico 391 (Brazil) 25 Ruud Gullit 199 (Holland) 26 Roberto Baggio 187 (Italy) 28= Giuseppe Meazza 157 (Italy) 30 Ronaldinho 148 (Brazil) 32 Raymond Kopa 134 (France) 33 José Manuel Moreno 133 (Argentina) 34 Ladislao Kubala 104 (Czechoslovakia/Hungary) 36 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 95 (Germany) 41 Dennis Bergkamp 75 (Holland) 42 Kenny Dalglish 70 (Scotland) 43 Matthias Sindelar 67 (Austria) 44= Lionel Messi 65 (Argentina) 49= Adolfo Pedernera 51 (Argentina) 54 Omar Sivori 43 (Argentina) 56 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41 (Uruguay) 60= Hector Scarone 36 (Uruguay) 65= Teófilo Cubillas 33 (Peru) 67= Mario Kempes 32 (Argentina) 71= Dejan Savicevic 31 (Yugoslavia) 73= Gyorgy Sarosi 28 (Hungary) 86= Valentino Mazzola 23 (Italy) 90= Cristiano Ronaldo 18 (Portugal) 93 Nándor Hidegkuti 15 (Hungary) 94= Tostao 12 (Brazil) 94= Kevin Keegan 12 (England) 98= Francesco Totti 10 (Italy) 101= Emilio Butragueño 9 (Spain) 101= Eric Cantona 9 (France) 103= Zbigniew Boniek 8 (Poland) 108 Raul 6 (Spain) Strikers 1 Pele 499 (Brazil) 7 Ferenc Puskás 435 (Hungary) 9 Eusebio 396 (Portugal) 14 Ronaldo 367 (Brazil) 15 Gerd Müller 344 (Germany) 16 Marco van Basten 341 (Holland) 19 Romario 263 (Brazil) 28= Giuseppe Meazza 157 (Italy) 31 Leonidas 139 (Brazil) 37 Thierry Henry 88 (France) 38= Sandor Kocsis 87 (Hungary) 47 George Weah 58 (Liberia) 48 Paolo Rossi 54 (Italy) 55 Jürgen Klinsmann 42 (Germany) 59 Josef Bican 37 (Austria/Czechoslovakia) 60= Just Fontaine 36 (France) 65= Arsenio Erico 33 (Paraguay) 67= John Charles 32 (Wales) 73= Gyorgy Sarosi 28 (Hungary) 77= Andriy Shevchenko 27 (Ukraine) 77= Uwe Seeler 27 (Germany) 80 Gabriel Batistuta 26 (Argentina) 82= Arthur Friedenreich 24 (Brazil) 86= Hugo Sanchez 23 (Mexico) 88 Hristo Stoichkov 22 (Bulgaria) 97 Gunnar Nordahl 11 (Sweden) 112= Telmo Zarra 2 (Spain) 112= Gary Lineker 2 (England)
Here is my own top 100 from my recent vote on the same basis as above: Goalkeepers 26) Lev Yashin (Soviet Union) 34) Peter Schmeichel (Denmark) 53) Gordon Banks (England) 93) Peter Shilton (England) 94) Gianluigi Buffon (Italy) Centrebacks / Sweepers 9) Franz Beckenbauer (Germany) 19) Bobby Moore (England) 31) Franco Baresi (Italy) 44) Matthias Sammer (Germany) 68) Gaetano Scirea (Italy) 99) John Charles (Wales) Fullbacks 37) Paolo Maldini (Italy) 43) Cafu (Brazil) 59) Carlos Alberto (Brazil) Central Midfielders 8) Zinedine Zidane (France) 11) Bobby Charlton (England) 25) Lothar Matthaus (Germany) 38) Gheorghe Hagi (Romania) 40) Johan Neeskens (Holland) 49) Patrick Vieira (France) 51) Fernando Redondo (Argentina) 52) Socrates (Brazil) 54) Duncan Edwards (England) 55) Frank Rijkaard (Holland) 63) Paul Gascoigne (England) 64) Glenn Hoddle (England) 76) Enzo Scifo (Belgium) 88) Didi (Brazil) 98) Kazimierz Deyna (Poland) 100) Jean Tigana (France) Attacking Midfielders 3) Diego Maradona (Argentina) 4) Michel Platini (France) 11) Bobby Charlton (England) 12) Michael Laudrup (Denmark) 15) Ronaldinho (Brazil) 16) Zico (Brazil) 39) Kaka (Brazil) 50) Brian Laudrup (Denmark) 60) Rivaldo (Brazil) 67) Pavel Nedved (Czech Republic) 69) Roberto Rivelino (Brazil) 73) Gianni Rivera (Italy) 84) Jan Ceulemans (Belgium) Side Midfielders / Wingers 5) George Best (N. Ireland) 18) Luis Figo (Portugal) 29) Stanley Matthews (England) 33) Tom Finney (England) 35) Garrincha (Brazil) 46) Dragan Dzajic (Yugoslavia) 47) Robert Pires (France) 48) Jairzinho (Brazil) 58) David Beckham (England) 66) Ryan Giggs (Wales) 86) John Barnes (England) 92) John Robertson (Scotland) Support Forwards 1) Pele (Brazil) 2) Johan Cruyff (Holland) 3) Diego Maradona (Argentina) 7) Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina) 14) Ferenc Puskas (Hungary) 15) Ronaldinho (Brazil) 16) Zico (Brazil) 17) Kenny Dalglish (Scotland) 20) Dejan Savicevic (Yugoslavia) 22) Dennis Bergkamp (Holland) 23) Roberto Baggio (Italy) 27) Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (Germany) 36) Ruud Gullit (Holland) 41) Francesco Totti (Italy) 42) Eric Cantona (France) 45) Raul (Spain) 61) Claudio Caniggia (Argentina) 70) Nandor Hidegkuti (Hungary) 71) Tostao (Brazil) 72) Raymond Kopa (France) 75) Lionel Messi (Argentina) 77) Giussepe Meazza (Italy) 78) Ladislao Kubala (Czechoslovakia/Hungary) 81) Rob Rensenbrink (Holland) 82) Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal) 83) Mario Kempes (Argentina) 84) Jan Ceulemans (Belgium) 87) Roger Milla (Cameroon) 89) Robinho (Brazil) 90) Gianfranco Zola (Italy) 97) Pierre Littbarski (Germany) Strikers 1) Pele (Brazil) 6) Marco van Basten (Holland) 10) Eusebio (Portugal) 13) Ronaldo (Brazil) 14) Ferenc Puskas (Hungary) 21) George Weah (Liberia) 24) Thierry Henry (France) 28) Andriy Shevchenko (Ukraine) 30) Gerd Muller (Germany) 32) Jurgen Klinsmann (Germany) 56) Romario (Brazil) 57) Gary Lineker (England) 62) Gabriel Batistuta (Argentina) 65) Henrik Larsson (Sweden) 74) Just Fontaine (France) 77) Giussepe Meazza (Italy) 79) Jimmy Greaves (England) 80) Denis Law (Scotland) 85) Preben Elkjaer (Denmark) 87) Roger Milla (Cameroon) 91) Davor Suker (Croatia) 95) Paolo Rossi (Italy) 96) Hristo Stoichkov (Bulgaria) 99) John Charles (Wales)
I do NOT change my top 50 but just add another 50 players that IMO deserve to be in a top 100-all time. here are the 50 players in alphabetical order : ABEDI PELÉ (Ghana) ALBERT, Florian (Hungary) BATISTUTA, Gabriel (Argentina) BERGKAMP, Dennis (Holland) BICAN, Josef (Austria) BONIEK, Zbigniew (Poland) BOZSIK, Joszef (Hungary) BREITNER, Paul (Germany) BUTRAGUEÑO, Emilio (Spain) CARLOS ALBERTO (Brazil) CARECA, Antonio (Brazil) CANTONÁ, Éric (France) CHARLES, John (Wales) DALGLISH, Kenny (Scotland) DESAILLY, Marcel (France) DJALMA SANTOS (Brazil) DZAJIC, Dragan (Yugoslavia) FALCAO (Brazil) FIGO, Luis (Portugal) FRANCESCOLI, Enzo (Uruguay) GIGGS, Ryan (Wales) GREAVES, Jimmy (England) HAGI, Gheorghe (Romania) JAIRZINHO (Brazil) LAW, Denis (Scotland) LUBANSKI, Wlodimierz (Poland) NESTA, Alessandro (Italy) NILTON SANTOS (Brazil) NORDAHL, Gunnar (Sweden) MAIER, Sepp (Germany) MASOPUST, Josef (Czechoslovakia) PASSARELLA, Daniel (Argentina) RAÚL (Spain) REDONDO, Fernando (Argentina) RENSENBRINK, Rob (Holland) RIJKAARD, Frank (Holland) RIVALDO (Brazil) RUMMENIGGE, Karl-Heinz (Germany) SÁNCHEZ, Hugo (Mexico) SAVICEVIC, Dejan (Yugoslavia) SCHMEICHEL, Peter (Denmark) SCIREA, Gaetano (Italy) SHEVCHENKO, Andriy (Ukraine) SÍVORI, Omar (Argentina) STOICHKOV, Hristo (Bulgaria) SUKER, Davor (Croatia) TOSTAO (Brazil) VAN HIMST, Paul (Belgium) WEAH, George (Liberia) ZIZINHO (Brazil) Yesterday I've found at the net another top50 with details of the players: http://www.xtratime.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-247416.html
another thread that might interest you: Big Soccer members World Best Player of the Year 1950-2009 https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=20427238#post20427238 ESPN greatest tem of all time. spread the word because so far the vote is ridiculus, people vote players of today mostly. winning team so far: Buffon, Roberto Carlos, Maldini, Beckenbauer, Zidane, Platini, Figo, Maradona, Pele. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/greatestteam?teamId=637250&formationId=1&cc=5739&ver=global
Thanks Braine. I will check the honourable mentions list I did before and see if any of these players need to be added. The link is interesting and Dearman has put a lot of work in - he posts on Big Soccer too doesn't he (and is that Peru with the resume too?). I could include his top 50 in this vote too perhaps (and his 6 honourable mentions though actually they all have votes already)? Lubanski, Florian Albert, Abedi Pele and your countryman van Himst look to be the new mentions but I'll check again before I update the list. EDIT - at least Nesta and Careca too I think.
I'm picking a team Couper - there's nearly 90 players to choose from and about 20 managers. The players are specified as defenders, midfielders and attackers (plus goalies obviously) but although the likes of Garrincha, Best and Finney are down as forwards you can't pick a 4-2-4 (I wouldn't have done but it does stop you picking those sorts of players wide in a 4-4-2 - you can choose 2-3-5 though). Maradona and Cruyff have to be forwards as do Pele and Di Stefano so I'm going with a 4-3-2-1 which lets you pick 3 forwards as does 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 obviously. A better system might be to let you pick your own formation and players and put players where you want but I sort of understand they think it's easier this way. With wide-midfield options reduced by players being specified as forwards I sort of understand why Figo might be in overall so far - I'm deciding not to put him in my midfield though. It's a slightly flawed system but it's not like it's official. I wouldn't really expect Buffon to be in though even though he's obviously a great keeper.
I've done the ESPN vote now. Not surprisingly 4-3-2-1 is the most picked formation. I felt in honesty I had to vote for Yashin - Cafu, Beckenbauer, Moore, Maldini - Platini, Zidane, Charlton (did consider Figo for balance but the support fowards are quick and versatile enough; Michael Laudrup and Ranaldinho are also forwards so would have had to go with Figo if I wanted a dribbler in midfield) - Cruyff, Maradona - Pele (couldn't leave out any of those 3 but doesn't seem ideal and means no outright centre-forward or George Best for example) For Coach I chose Michels but Ferguson leads the vote. The votes for each player are tallied as percentages so not ideal but with that formation the current team (with luckily a reasonably balanced back four) looks like Buffon - Cafu, Beckenbauer, Maldini, R Carlos - Figo, Platini, Zidane - Pele, Maradona - Ronaldo. Zidane has the highest percentage of votes.
Actually I mis-read it, 4-2-3-1 with 2 forwards was the number 1 formation, with Giggs as a midfielder currently in the 'Winning Team' and not Ronaldo.
Adding the bolded ones to the honourable mentions list which is now: Domingos Da Guia Lilian Thuram Gianluigi Buffon Pavel Nedved Marcel Desailly Denis Law Josef Masopust Ryan Giggs Jimmy Greaves Kazimierz Deyna Rob Rensenbrink John Robertson Roger Milla Preben Elkjaer Jean Tigana Jan Ceulemans Glenn Hoddle Pierre Littbarski John Barnes Enzo Scifo Claudio Caniggia Paul Gascoigne Gianfranco Zola Davor Suker Henrik Larsson David Beckham Robinho Ruud van Nistelrooy Johnny Rep Wolfgang Overath Paul Breitner Ademir Marques de Menezes Angel Labruna Javier Zanetti Claude Makalele Luis Monti Fernando Peyroteo Alberto Spencer Cesar Cueto Ricardo Zamora Paul van Himst Wlodzmierz Lubanski Alessandro Nesta Careca Abedi Pele Florian Albert
Great topic! I will give an overview off the greatest 50 players ever to walked this earth! 01. Johan Cruijff (Holland) he had it all..grace, speed, instinct...when you saw Cruijff and teammates play, then you saw an orcestra being led by the master himself! Beethoven of the last decade in football! 02. Pele (Brazil) he was good, real good..but not the best 03. Diego Maradona (Argentina) awesome player, one off the best ever 04. Alfredo Di Stéfano (Argentina) 05. George Best (N Ireland) 06. Franz Beckenbauer (Germany) 07. Michel Platini (France) 08. Marco van Basten (Holland) 09. Ferenc Puskás (Hungary) 10. Bergkamp (Holland) 11. Zinedine Zidane (France) 12. Garrincha (Brazil) 13. Ronaldo (Brazil) 14. Bobby Charlton (England) 15. Lev Yashin (Soviet Union) 16. Leonidas (Brazil) 17. Duncan Edwards (England) 18. Romário (Brazil) 19. Paolo Maldini (Italy) 20. Lothar Matthäus (Germany) 21. Messi (Argentina) - he will get higher with the years 22. Gerd Müller (Germany) 23. José Manuel Moreno (Argentina) 24. Giuseppe Meazza (Italy) 25. Didí (Brazil) 26. Roberto Carlos (Brazil) 27. Henry (France) 28. Bobby Moore (England) 29. Raymond Kopa (France) 30. Ruud Gullit (Holland) 31. Rivelino (Brazil) 32. Cafú (Brazil) 33. Stanley Matthews (England) 34. Dino Zoff (Italy) 35. Ronaldinho (Brazil) 36. Fritz Walter (Germany) 37. Ryan Giggs (Wales) 38. Gordon Banks (England) 39. Piet Keizer (Holland) 40. Giacinto Facchetti (Italy) 41. José Manuel Moreno (Argentina) 42. Rijkaard (Holland) 43. Gianni Rivera (Italy) 42. Luis Suárez (Spain) 44. Eusebio (Portugal) 45. Edgar Davids (Holland) 47. Michael Laudrup (Denmark) 48. Alessandro Mazzola (Italy) 49. Francisco Gento (Spain) 50. Just Fontaine (France)
Thanks Burton, I've added your votes to the totals to give the following current standings: 1 Pele 548 2= Diego Maradona 529 2= Johan Cruyff 529 4 Alfredo Di Stéfano 512 5 Franz Beckenbauer 496 6 Michel Platini 480 7 Ferenc Puskás 477 8 Garrincha 441 9 George Best 437 10 Zinedine Zidane 414 11 Bobby Charlton 408 12 Ronaldo 405 13 Eusebio 402 14 Zico 391 15 Marco van Basten 384 16 Gerd Müller 373 17 Lev Yashin 324 18 Bobby Moore 298 19 Romario 296 20 Paolo Maldini 282 21 Lothar Matthäus 267 22 Franco Baresi 251 23 Didí 236 24 Stanley Matthews 226 25 Ruud Gullit 220 26 Rivelino 200 27 Roberto Baggio 187 28 Giuseppe Meazza 184 29 Leonidas 174 30 Ronaldinho 164 31 José Manuel Moreno 161 32 Zizinho 157 33 Raymond Kopa 156 34 Dennis Bergkamp 116 35 Thierry Henry 112 36 Fritz Walter 111 37 Ladislao Kubala 104 38= Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 95 38= Gianni Rivera 95 38= Lionel Messi 95 41 Dino Zoff 94 42 Sandor Kocsis 87 43 Kenny Dalglish 70 44 Matthias Sindelar 67 45 Rivaldo 65 46= Peter Schmeichel 59 46= Roberto Carlos 59 46= Duncan Edwards 59 49 George Weah 58 50 Michael Laudrup 55 51 Paolo Rossi 54 52= Adolfo Pedernera 51 52= Johan Neeskens 51 54 Luís Figo 50 55 Daniel Passarella 49 56 Cafú 46 57 Gordon Banks 45 58= Omar Sivori 43 58= Sandro Mazzola 43 58= Luis Suarez 43 58= Frank Rijkaard 43 58= Giacinto Facchetti 43 63 Jürgen Klinsmann 42 64 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41 65 Elías Figueroa 38 66= Josef Bican 37 66= Just Fontaine 37 68 Hector Scarone 36 69= Arsenio Erico 33 69= Teófilo Cubillas 33 71= John Charles 32 71= Mario Kempes 32 73= Dejan Savicevic 31 73= Kaká 31 75= Gheorghe Hagi 28 75= Nilton Santos 28 75= Gyorgy Sarosi 28 75= Falcao 28 79= Andriy Shevchenko 27 79= Uwe Seeler 27 81 Gabriel Batistuta 26 82= Carlos Alberto 24 82= Jairzinho 24 82= Dragan Dzajic 24 82= Artur Friedenreich 24 86= Valentino Mazzola 23 86= Hugo Sanchez 23 88 Hristo Stoichkov 22 89 José Leandro Andrade 21 90= Tom Finney 18 90= Cristiano Ronaldo 18 92 Jozsef Bozsik 16 93 Nándor Hidegkuti 15 94 Francisco Gento 14 94= Ryan Giggs 14 96= Tostao 12 96= Kevin Keegan 12 96= Piet Keizer 12 99 Gunnar Nordahl 11 100= Djalma Santos 10 100= Francesco Totti 10 100= Gaetano Scirea 10 103= Emilio Butragueño 9 103= Eric Cantona 9 105= Zbigniew Boniek 8 105= Sepp Maier 8 107= Enzo Francescoli 7 107= Matthias Sammer 7 107= Oliver Kahn 7 110 Raul 6 111= Fabio Cannavaro 5 111= Edgar Davids 5 113= Robert Pires 4 113= Gerson 4 115= Telmo Zarra 2 115= Patrick Vieira 2 115= Gary Lineker 2 118= Fernando Redondo 1 118= Socrates 1 118= Brian Laudrup 1 I've counted your votes in the order you listed but I noticed Moreno in 2 places so at the minute I've not included a vote for 41st place - you can adjust the vote if you like to insert another player somewhere.
@ESPN Greatest Team of All Time: I hate the formation restriction. 4 - 3 - 2 -1 is the only way to have Cruyff - Maradona - Pele and I really don't want to leave any of them out. Manager: Michels Yashin Facchetti - Beckenbauer - Moore - Maldini Varela - Platini - Matthäus Maradona - Cruyff Pele My actual choice would be: Yashin Djalma Santos - Beckenbauer - Moore - Maldini Didi - Matthäus Maradona - Di Stefano - Cruyff Pele Oh the winning team is a joke ... Ryan Giggs
Dearman's Top 50 (As on Xtratime): 1. PELÉ (Brazil) 2. MARADONA, Diego (Argentina) 3. CRUYFF, Johan (Holland) 4. BECKENBAUER, Franz (Germany) 5. DI STÉFANO, Alfredo (Argentina) 6. PLATINI, Michel (France) 7. PUSKÁS, Ferenc (Hungary) 8. GARRINCHA (Brazil) 9. ZICO (Brazil) 10. ZIDANE, Zinedine (France) 11. YASHIN, Lev (Soviet Union) 12. RONALDO (Brazil) 13. EUSÉBIO (Portugal) 14. MÜLLER, Gerd (Germany) 15. BEST, George (Northern Ireland) 16. VAN BASTEN, Marco (Holland) 17. CHARLTON, Bobby (England) 18. MATTHEWS, Stanley (England) 19. MALDINI, Paolo (Italy) 20. MOORE, Bobby (England) 21. ROMÁRIO (Brazil) 22. ZOFF, Dino (Italy) 23. DIDÍ (Brazil) 24. MEAZZA, Giuseppe (Italy) 25. MATTHÄUS, Lothar (Germany) 26. MORENO, José Manuel (Argentina) 27. ZIZINHO (Brazil) 28. RIVELINO, Roberto (Brazil) 29. BAGGIO, Roberto (Italy) 30. BARESI, Franco (Italy) 31. WALTER, Fritz (Germany) 32. SEELER, Uwe (Germany) 33. KUBALA, László (Czechoslovakia/Hungary) 34. GULLIT, Ruud (Holland) 35. RUMMENIGGE, Karl-Heinz (Germany) 36. LEONIDAS (Brazil) 37. SINDELAR, Matthias (Austria) 38. RIVERA, Gianni (Italy) 39. KOCSIS, Sándor (Hungary) 40. KOPA, Raymond (France) 41. TOSTAO (Brazil) 42. PEDERNERA, Adolfo (Argentina) 43. SUÁREZ, Luis (Spain) 44. RIVALDO (Brazil) 45. PASSARELLA, Daniel (Argentina) 46. JAIRZINHO (Brazil) 47. NORDAHL, Gunnar (Sweden) 48. FACCHETTI, Giacinto (Italy) 49. DZAJIC, Dragan (Yugoslavia) 50. BICAN, Josef (Austria/Czechoslovakia) and honourable mentions - LAUDRUP, Michael (Denmark) - BANKS, Gordon (England) - FIGO, Luís (Portugal) - NILTON SANTOS (Brazil) - SCIREA, Gaetano (Italy) - RIJKAARD, Frank (Holland) So adding that top 50 to this thread changes the standings to this (from 12 votes): 1 Pele 598 2 Diego Maradona 578 3 Johan Cruyff 577 4 Alfredo Di Stéfano 558 5 Franz Beckenbauer 543 6 Michel Platini 525 7 Ferenc Puskás 521 8 Garrincha 484 9 George Best 473 10 Zinedine Zidane 455 11 Ronaldo 444 12 Bobby Charlton 442 13 Eusebio 440 14 Zico 433 15 Marco van Basten 419 16 Gerd Müller 410 17 Lev Yashin 364 18 Bobby Moore 329 19 Romario 326 20 Paolo Maldini 314 21 Lothar Matthäus 293 22 Franco Baresi 272 23 Didí 264 24 Stanley Matthews 259 25 Ruud Gullit 237 26 Rivelino 223 27 Giuseppe Meazza 211 28 Roberto Baggio 209 29 Leonidas 189 30 José Manuel Moreno 186 31 Zizinho 181 32 Raymond Kopa 167 33 Ronaldinho 164 34 Fritz Walter 131 35 Dino Zoff 123 36 Ladislao Kubala 122 37 Dennis Bergkamp 116 38 Thierry Henry 112 39 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 111 40 Gianni Rivera 108 41 Sandor Kocsis 99 42 Lionel Messi 95 43 Matthias Sindelar 81 44 Rivaldo 72 45 Kenny Dalglish 70 46 Adolfo Pedernera 60 47= Peter Schmeichel 59 47= Roberto Carlos 59 47= Duncan Edwards 59 50 George Weah 58 51= Michael Laudrup 55 51= Daniel Passarella 55 53 Paolo Rossi 54 54= Johan Neeskens 51 54= Luis Suarez 51 56 Luís Figo 50 57= Cafú 46 57= Giacinto Facchetti 46 57= Uwe Seeler 46 60 Gordon Banks 45 61= Omar Sivori 43 61= Sandro Mazzola 43 61= Frank Rijkaard 43 64 Jürgen Klinsmann 42 65 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41 66= Elías Figueroa 38 66= Josef Bican 38 68 Just Fontaine 37 69 Hector Scarone 36 70= Arsenio Erico 33 70= Teófilo Cubillas 33 72= John Charles 32 72= Mario Kempes 32 74= Dejan Savicevic 31 74= Kaká 31 76 Jairzinho 29 77= Gheorghe Hagi 28 77= Nilton Santos 28 77= Gyorgy Sarosi 28 77= Falcao 28 81 Andriy Shevchenko 27 82= Gabriel Batistuta 26 82= Dragan Dzajic 26 84= Carlos Alberto 24 84= Artur Friedenreich 24 86= Valentino Mazzola 23 86= Hugo Sanchez 23 88= Hristo Stoichkov 22 88= Tostao 22 90 José Leandro Andrade 21 91= Tom Finney 18 91= Cristiano Ronaldo 18 93 Jozsef Bozsik 16 94= Nándor Hidegkuti 15 94= Gunnar Nordahl 15 96= Francisco Gento 14 96= Ryan Giggs 14 98= Kevin Keegan 12 98= Piet Keizer 12 100= Djalma Santos 10 100= Francesco Totti 10 100= Gaetano Scirea 10 103= Emilio Butragueño 9 103= Eric Cantona 9 105= Zbigniew Boniek 8 105= Sepp Maier 8 107= Enzo Francescoli 7 107= Matthias Sammer 7 107= Oliver Kahn 7 110 Raul 6 111= Fabio Cannavaro 5 111= Edgar Davids 5 113= Robert Pires 4 113= Gerson 4 115= Telmo Zarra 2 115= Patrick Vieira 2 115= Gary Lineker 2 118= Fernando Redondo 1 118= Socrates 1 118= Brian Laudrup 1
My top 50 1 Pele 2 Diego Maradona 3 Garrincha 4 Cruiff 5 Franz Beckenbauer 6 Ferenc Puskás 7 Zico 8 Romário 9 Platini 10 George Best 11 Nilton Santos 12 Alfredo Di Stéfano 13 Van Basten 14 Lev Yashin 15 Ronaldo 16 Didi 17 Leônidas 18 Zinedine Zidane 19 Eusebio 20 Falcao 21 Bobby Charlton 22 Gerd Müller 23 Baresi 24 Rivelino 25 Lothar Matthäus 26 Junior 27 Zizinho 28 Ruud Gullit 29 Giuseppe Meazza 30 Carlos Alberto Torres 31 Zagallo 32 Batistuta 33 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 34 Domingos da Guia 35 Sócrates 36 Bebeto 37 Paolo Maldini 38 Paolo Rossi 39 Daniel Passarella 40 Gordon Banks 41 Frank Rijkaard 42 Careca 43 Leandro 44 Ronaldinho 45 Messi 46 Fillol 47 Jürgen Klinsmann 48 Jorginho 49 Mario Kempes 50 Arthur Friedenreich
Thanks for the vote DanFla. The new standings: 1 Pele 648 2 Diego Maradona 627 3 Johan Cruyff 624 4 Alfredo Di Stéfano 597 5 Franz Beckenbauer 589 6 Michel Platini 567 7 Ferenc Puskás 566 8 Garrincha 532 9 George Best 514 10 Zinedine Zidane 488 11 Ronaldo 480 12 Zico 477 13= Bobby Charlton 472 13= Eusebio 472 15 Marco van Basten 457 16 Gerd Müller 439 17 Lev Yashin 401 18 Romario 369 19 Bobby Moore 329 20 Paolo Maldini 328 21 Lothar Matthäus 319 22 Franco Baresi 300 23 Didí 299 24 Ruud Gullit 260 25 Stanley Matthews 259 26 Rivelino 250 27 Giuseppe Meazza 233 28 Leonidas 223 29 Roberto Baggio 209 30 Zizinho 205 31 José Manuel Moreno 186 32 Ronaldinho 171 33 Raymond Kopa 167 34 Fritz Walter 131 35 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 129 36 Dino Zoff 123 37 Ladislao Kubala 122 38 Dennis Bergkamp 116 39 Thierry Henry 112 40 Gianni Rivera 108 41 Lionel Messi 101 42 Sandor Kocsis 99 43 Matthias Sindelar 81 44 Rivaldo 72 45 Kenny Dalglish 70 46 Nilton Santos 68 47= Daniel Passarella 67 47= Paolo Rossi 67 49 Adolfo Pedernera 60 50= Peter Schmeichel 59 50= Roberto Carlos 59 50= Duncan Edwards 59 50= Falcao 59 54 George Weah 58 55 Gordon Banks 56 56 Michael Laudrup 55 57 Frank Rijkaard 53 58= Johan Neeskens 51 58= Luis Suarez 51 60 Luís Figo 50 61= Cafú 46 61= Giacinto Facchetti 46 61= Uwe Seeler 46 61= Jürgen Klinsmann 46 65= Gabriel Batistuta 45 65= Carlos Alberto 45 67= Omar Sivori 43 67= Sandro Mazzola 43 69 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41 70= Elías Figueroa 38 70= Josef Bican 38 72 Just Fontaine 37 73 Hector Scarone 36 74 Mario Kempes 34 75= Arsenio Erico 33 75= Teófilo Cubillas 33 77 John Charles 32 78= Dejan Savicevic 31 78= Kaká 31 80 Jairzinho 29 81= Gheorghe Hagi 28 81= Gyorgy Sarosi 28 83 Andriy Shevchenko 27 84 Dragan Dzajic 26 85= Artur Friedenreich 25 85= Junior 25 87= Valentino Mazzola 23 87= Hugo Sanchez 23 89= Hristo Stoichkov 22 89= Tostao 22 91 José Leandro Andrade 21 92 Mario Zagallo 20 93= Tom Finney 18 93= Cristiano Ronaldo 18 95= Socrates 17 95=Domingos da Guia 17 97 Jozsef Bozsik 16 98= Nándor Hidegkuti 15 98= Gunnar Nordahl 15 98= Bebeto 15 101= Francisco Gento 14 101= Ryan Giggs 14 103= Kevin Keegan 12 103= Piet Keizer 12 105= Djalma Santos 10 105= Francesco Totti 10 105= Gaetano Scirea 10 108= Emilio Butragueño 9 108= Eric Cantona 9 108= Careca 9 111= Zbigniew Boniek 8 111= Sepp Maier 8 111= Leandro 8 114= Enzo Francescoli 7 114= Matthias Sammer 7 114= Oliver Kahn 7 117 Raul 6 118= Fabio Cannavaro 5 118= Edgar Davids 5 118= Ubaldo Fillol 5 121= Robert Pires 4 121= Gerson 4 123 Jorginho 3 124= Telmo Zarra 2 124= Patrick Vieira 2 124= Gary Lineker 2 127= Fernando Redondo 1 127= Brian Laudrup 1