Gold Cup: Mexico vs. Panama (7/9/09) [R]

my ratings:

Overall: 4.5 mediocre

Ochoa: 4.5 mediocre outing by him

J. castro: 4.5 Mediocre
Magallon: 5.0 major brain fart but still the best defender out there
rodriguez: 4.5 mediocre
pinto: 5.0 mediocre

Gio: 5.5 best player out there, good decision making
torrado: 2.5 horrible passing and mediocre defense
norriega: 4.5 mediocre
Jagger: 4.5 was he even playing?

Medina: 4.5 he is what he is
Sabah: 5.0 buried a sitter

i. Castro: 5.0 why doesn't he start?
Bravo: 4.5 mediocre
barrera: 3.5 he sucks on the left, he needs to play on the right

in the future i'd like to see

----------------------[Corona]--------------------
--[J. Castro]---[Magallon]---[Duenas]---[Pinto]----
---------------------[I. Castro]-------------------
---[Barrera]-----------[Jagger]----------[Gio]-----
---------------[Sabah]------[Bravo]--------------

 

not exactly. there was more action outside.

i've never understood why we fight amongst ourselves. i've seen Mexico NT games in Mexico and Europe and fights/problems are non-existent. you watch a game in Houston and we're fighting ourselves. i don't get it man. may be i'm getting old.

 

yeah, he was ready for today, but aguirre gave him a chance to recover.

why would you put gio on the left and jagger as a enganche??
just to put barrera in his best position??
you;re making two players useless, just to make one decent.

the prob with barrera is that, just like gio and venado he plays on the right, and since aguirre prefers both venado and gio over him, he has zero chance of playing on the right position..........unless either venado or gio are benched.

 

Man this thread shows the super hateful naco mentality moronic posters on here please stfu and stop hating so fukcing dam much like you are some elite futbol analysts lol omfg most of you fail.

Sabah, haha whats up pendejos I thought he was a complete failure like you soccer gods say he is ahaha beauty of a goal shove your hate up your hairy asses. Omfg bravo didn't play like kaka he sucks sooo bad lol UGH HELLO he hasn't played a single league game in forever get that thrue your big fat shit heads. You lamers are sooooo quick to point out errors of players and just spew the hate its so fukcing pathetic seriously stfu you NEVER played professionaly nor NEVER will you don't know what its really like and it shows, christ we have some serious fuktards on bsmx.

All I see is bitch bitch bitch from most of the mexicans/chicanos etc. on this board, I swear some of you talk shit like your sitting on some throne fukn throne. Especially when some of you mofos single out certain players and have this naco logic that oh if they don't score goals asap their a failure for life and will never progress wah wah wah. All this bullshit about "Oh my god we have midget players! boo hoo! like wake up and smell the coffee fukn lamers, mexicans tend to be shorter get the f over it and grow up. What tall players could possibly EVEN make it on the nt? who? explain... exactly this is what we got and this is what mexico needs to work with. When playing taller teams which is on a regular basis, its f'n obvious we need to play the ball on the ground the majority of the time and stop sending these balonasos in the air. Yes we have many problems right now but just spewing nothing but hate and no constructive criticism just shows how many of you don't look at the big picture and just hate. Even though the spazzos have their faults and what not and go ape shit when they loose theirs always some good constructive criticism posters who make good valid points and move on. But on bsmx oh no, we loose lets talk the most shit at the team because we spew nothing but over exaggerated bull shit.

Yes mexico is playing very bad futbol at the moment yes concacaf is a joke that will do anything to try to stick it to us and bend over for the spazzo federation. Panama is the perfect definition of anti futbol tonight, ill stop their because its self explanatory. Yes what aguirre did was not good at all but its very contreversial because if aguirre wanted really trip the guy he could of easily done it. But when it comes down to it he had contact with the player and he will have to face the consequences. The first 15 min for mexico were great we played pretty good but then lost some quality, either way mexico was slightly better than the last 2 games and is somewhat an improvement. The nt needs a lot of work but sitting here and pointing out errors over and over and crying like little bitches does not help anything. Naco mentality I swear, don't matter if you don't dress like one trust me it shows. Go ahead reply to this do whatever the f u want I never read reply's to my posts because I could give a flying shit.

 

Do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

 

God help us...we have not secured a ticket to the Q4 final.

We have to get better at our set pieces. When was the last time we scored from the set pieces? Leandro vs Bolivia? WTF! Right now we have no player who can score via free kick. I'm thinking of Ramon Morales. The guy's old but he can score via free kicks. Correct me if I'm wrong. But he scored 3 free kick goles last torneo.

Also ball centered from the wings: straight to Baloy or to the portero's hands. Seriously we have no one who could finish in the air right now. A well placed tronco can be deadly I guess.

Lastly...our mids are too slow. Torrado lost tooooooo many balls! Do we have other options besides torrado?

 

WOW

about omar bravo, he came from playing for tigres like 7 games and scored nothing

Omar bravo facking sucks

serious

period

 

After watching this game its apparent that Aguirre didn't want to coach El Tri.

 

I think he didn't realized we sucked this bad.. now he just wants to get fired, and get that middle table Spanish team he was offered..

..

 

I have never hated a player with more passion than I do Omar Bravo. WTF is he doing on the team. As soon as I see him I think " so much for scoring".
It really is like being a man down once he enters.

 

o.k. Rambo

 

you can say every team not named Brazil or Nigeria lacks athleticism.

our problem's probably more lack of talent than it is lack of athleticism a lot of the time. especially defensively. Last night we lost becuase Magallon is just an average defender who's gonna let soft goals in consistently. Had nothing to do with speed or height. He's just not that good.

 

WTF was this allabout


Is Aguirre having a mental break down


I missed the game and shouldn't even bother seeing the encore

 

it usually doesn't take this long to recover form after an injury. wonder what happened to him

 

I never make excuses I just call it like I see it. Yes, Mexico is playing bad but I see no reason to hit the panic button. With the squad that was brought in to the Gold Cup I do not expect the Tricolor to steamroll through the competition.


We have to take into account that the Mexican squad is in pre-season shape. I do not expect the players to be at 100% and play to their best form. Most posters round here just get overly emotional and lose track of what is obvious.


What is obvious is that Mexico has had goal scoring problems for quite some time now. So, it hurts the squad to lose two of it's most promising strikers early on the tourney. Guillermo Franco, who replaced Arellano, even admitted to not being match fit.


Perhaps, comparisons with the Nads are not avoidable. Specially with many users spazzing out. What we have to take into account is that the Nads are playing at home and even if they are using an alternate squad their players have all gone through a process with the same coach for the past two and a half years. Also, their league is in full swing and their players are match-fit.


Mexico on the other hand is in their fourth coach. That alone should be reason enough not too expect much from the squad called up to the Gold Cup; specially when Mexico's main concern is to qualify to the WC.


And in case many have forgotten physical condition and attributes play an important role in modern football; having silky passing skills is no longer enough. That said, as the tournament progresses I expect the Tricolor to improve; simply because the players have been training and playing together for an extended period of time.

 

At least one person thinks they'll improve.

Just a thought, when they go to the World Cup (if they go the WC next year) won't they also be in "preseason form"

I hear this same excuse every summer from people here. It's an excuse and nothing more.

Brazil is in preseason form as well. They won the Confederations Cup.

Anyway, I know what's coming now so go on. Not any knock on you per say VS, you make some other great points (4th coach in a year, roster, other teams going through a lengthy process)

 

very true SDS....Brazil was in preseason form and still won the Confeds

improvement with each GC game? I think we tooka few steps back against Panama. The only player that improved was Gio. Noreiga worsened, Barerra really didnt do much, Venado didnt shine because Panama was just as fast as him, Torrrado sucked

Question: Why the f.u.c.k would you waste beer by throwing it? Seriously, those cups must be like $6 or $7. I never understand that from paisanos, it'd be like throwing away a 6 pack of Modelo

 

i'm not even going to try and read the last 15 pages I missed.

All I can say is, I'm with el tri until the end. I hope this kind of things don't happen again, and we can regain our form. We cannot really demand alot from this team right now, because they are disadvantaged against other major teams that have had a longer process of adaptation.

I hope Mexico wins the gold cup, but if they don't, it will not be the end of the world. The objective is qualifying for the world cup and hopefully by then, we can have a solid, and organized team.

 

You are thinking sober.

 

Funny how the objetives have been dowgraded. Initially it was to win the WC (Hugo)
then it was to win the fifth game.
Make it to the fith game


now, qualifying.

vvvvvv

 

The National Team will train for at least one month together before going to the World Cup. That has been the case for the past two World Cups. And pre-season form is not and excuse it is a fact.

We can not compare Confederations Cup to Gold Cup given that the tourneys are one month apart. It is diffrent to join the NT after completing a club season as to joining after being in vacations. Specially when taking into account the players that are in teams that did not even compete in the Liguilla. Mexico did play two friendly games but I am not sure if that was enough to get the squad firing on all cylinders.

 

Panama's Blas Perez (who scored Panama's tying goal) was injured on the field in the 90th minute after he was hit from an object thrown from the crowd. Medical staff brought out a stretcher. As Perez was carried off the field, Mexican fans unleashed another barrage of cups and beer bottles and Perez fell off the stretcher. Note the police officer in the background laughing -- LOL.

 

I really saw the team playing better in the beginning and towards the end of the game. An earlier poster mentioned our struggles to get the ball through the midfield, from the back line to the forwards, and I agree. Every time the ball went through torrado, either from the back line or by him stealing it, he would send a high ball, usually looking for Medina, but Baloy would always beat him to it in the air(surprise, the guy is twice his weight/height). I'm not sure if this is what the midfield was told to do, or if torrado is just an idiot, neither of which would surprise me. For this reason, Medina didn't see much of the ball, but when he did, he actually did well, in my opinion. For the goal, the ball came to him uncomfortably, he did a nice “sombrerito” to regain it, held it, waited for Noriega to advance, and gave him a nice pass which left him with the advantage. Noriega then did the same thing with Gio. And rest of the play, you have all seen a million times. I saw glimpses of good chemistry and good passing at the beginning of the game. I think the team began to lose their composure when they began to get entangled into Panama's physical game, which is what Panama intended. Other than that I believe our mistakes were mostly defensive. The obvious one was the goal, but there were multiple occasions where the centrales would lose their marks. They looked like the inexperienced defenders I play with on my Sunday league team.