Let's end the Debate (at least for this year): MLS vs Mexican clubs

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  1. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    As of right now, I know Mexican clubs in a serious competition will have a better winning percentage than MLS clubs. Just as it was back in the day when the Mexican NT was the USNT's Daddy. However, that change over time and I believe this will change over time as well to the point where both league will be even. This is of course won't happen for a very long time (10, 15 yrs, etc.)

    Or is it sooner than we think? Let's end the debate, at least for SuperLiga 2009 and CCL 2009/10.

    I know most people consider SuperLiga a joke and that Mexican clubs were playing with reserves, but you know what, so were MLS clubs; I guess that means their "youth" squads are kicking Mexico's "youth" squads but that's yet another debate and besides, that shouldn't even matter because whatever 11 are playing that night, they are representing the club.

    So without further a due, lets see which League has a better overall record at the end of SuperLiga and CCL.

    Update:

    Both leagues have a 3-2-3 record so far.
     
  2. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    What debate anybody with some common sense knows that the MFL>>>>>MLS.
     
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  3. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Well, we'll soon find out shall we . . .that is of course if MLS comes out on top: If that's the case my fellow Mexican fans will come up with reasons and excuses of why that was case. However, if Mexican clubs do come out on top, I know my fellow MLS fans will accept it and see if they can do better next year.
     
  4. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which is why the debate is pointless. Not just now, but pretty much forever.
     
  5. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    True, but at least stat wise it won't be. There are so many debates every day about so many things every now and them, someone asks, can you back that up? Well at least now, they'll be some sort of back up for other side. Of course, the "losing" side will still debate it and so forth and so forth but you know what, that's the whole point of these forums right so why not have one with actual stats.
     
  6. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    So who has won this deabte for the last 14 years?
     
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  7. elcibernetico24

    Jun 28, 2008
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    kid there is no debate here go show superliga to someone who cares about it,and its no about only reserve squads,its the fact that is during the mexican preseason and is played only in USA,GET OVER IT,its an uneven tourney,im tired of fake tourneys and the americans trying to sell fake chafas marca patito tourneys to people who really know about futbol,go to the usa forum there people who doesnt know about real tourneys are going to tell you that superliga is the ultimate tourney,want to prove something use the CCL even though concacaf also help mls there at least its the closest thing to a real tourney that concacaf has,but superliga, are you for real, all games played in the same country and during the mexican preseason, that fake tourney doesnt prove nothing.
     
  8. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    See you are new here and no matter how many times the MFL teams win the CCL and CCC in the past. You still have MLS fans that claim the MLS is a better league. Now if Tom would be honest he would admit that what I say is true.
     
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  9. elcibernetico24

    Jun 28, 2008
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    yes back up arguments with results of real fair tourneys,not tourneys played in a single country during the preseason of your oponent.

    superliga is essentialy the mm gold cup of clubs.

    now ccl is more or less fair
     
  10. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    In that case, I guess Mexico is still USNT's daddy . . . especially in the World Cup.

    Dude, I'm tired of people like you who will always try to find the escape goat to everything. Even if SuperLiga and the CCL had all their games (home and away) in Mexico and there were all Mexican refs, and for some miracle, MLS clubs win out, AND this would happen for 2 consecutive year, you would STILL find a way to debate it so there's no point debating it with you.

    This thread is for those who are not narrow minded (on both sides) and are reasonable. For the rest of you, try not to make this into a opinionated debate because this is stat wise debate. That being said, this is a free country (both countries), but really "don't be a dick" . . . really, "no mames wey".
     
  11. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    lets end the debate or lets start a fight?
     
  12. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    You know, just for you and all the other unreasonable SOBs, I'll keep a separate result that only includes the CCL.
     
  13. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who started the fight?
     
  14. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    haha exactly. It's my fault for keeping the flame going so I'll stop replying to opinionated biased statements.
     
  15. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
  16. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Nobody started a fight.
     
  17. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I'm not new to bigsoccer but new to this forum. In the forums I subscribe to, about 90% of MLS fans are pretty reasonable and understand where MLS stands right now with MFL.
     
  18. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well over the years I have seen many a MLS fan make that claim.
     
  19. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    Are you ********ing kidding me????? It's 100% the other way around. The Mexican fans are the ones who are knowledgable about football, while the Mickey Mouse fans are the ones who make up all the excuses. Are you retarded, man? Learn to read and comprehend, because on this board, you'll see the whining and excuse-making solely from fans of the MML
     
  20. elcibernetico24

    Jun 28, 2008
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    the narrowd minded is you,dumb kid,i told you in the american forum that i accept the fact that the usa team is better then the mexican one right now (we are playing like crap) because there are facts to prove it, and yet you come here to tell me again that i dont accept it,are you dumb or retarded or slow learner, im gonna say it again,i accept it,and mexico has won the last 3 concacaf tourneys in line and yet you are here trying to say that the mexican league and mls are equal,who is the narrowed minded ?
     
  21. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Another fact is that once the tourney stopped being played entirely in the USA no MLS club has even made the finals.
     
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  22. Pirru

    Pirru Member+

    Sep 21, 2004
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    hahahahhahah

    biggest sazzo of the year goes to....................



    I only have one person on ignore

    congrats you made numero dos
     
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  23. El Cabrito

    El Cabrito Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Ca
    *NEWSFLASH* When Mex won the CCC MLS fans complained about playing in preseason, when Mex won the CCL MLS fans complained about schedule congestion. It seems to me you have a bone to pick with your fellow spazzos. But instead lets ignore years of statistical evidence and make this shit thread about a shit point.

    Since this is a stats wise debate, maybe you can explain your methods.

    Why this start date? why ignore the decade... well in truth the century of dominance by MFL? Is it because if you take the last 5, 3, or even 2 years into account the MLS teams look like crap?

    Why would you rate Superliga games (IE contrived friendlies), the same as CCL or CCC games? Again is it just because the US stats make them look better if you include SL?
     
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  24. PARS

    PARS Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 3, 2007
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Escape Goat: Not sure, but maybe what bank robbers would use in the old west when they could not get a horse or even a donkey.

    Scapegoat: Is someone who is punished for the wrongdoings of others.

    None of these seems to fit your context... your first post told me you know little about both leagues, this other one told me more... it will be hard to try and have an intelligent exchange... but before going into game stats, which show mostly even in Superliga and ridiculously favorable for Mexico on CCL... let me set some non game facts about Superliga:

    • FMF had several teams flat out reject this competition.
    • The FMF teams that accepted, one of them sent no starters and not even a coach at first.
    • It is played excusively in the US.
    • FMF is just starting pre-season.
    So you want to compare these leagues based on Superliga, in spite of the above?
    If you want to compare their performance just in Superliga, go ahead, I have no interest, just like the FMF teams.

    Look at CCL stats and answer your question.

    /p
     
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  25. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem sid, is that "many" is actually a very small percentage of US-based posters to BS. Meanwhile, a much larger percentage of the non-US posters here go loco every time the suggestion is made that US club soccer is improving even a little.

    It's like arguing with a bunch of toddlers sometimes. Logic be damned.
     

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