Riquelme quits the national team

correct me if im wrong but who else in the previous startin 11 was a local player other than i believe papa....roman was the only player for a while that was a regular memeber of the NT starting 11 for a while...there might have been a few but the 11 hasnt changed much so how is the argument that they beat guarani relevent...i saw the game by the way...

another thing i have always yelled at the top of my lungs that riquelme is one of the best player in the world but only when he plays for boca and his short stint at villareal...not with the NT...im not getting in a pisssiiing match about who had underperformed or not and copa america and he leading in scoring becasue for the most part jrr has been unstoppable for boca and underwhelming for the NT in his career....i wished he played for the NT like he does for boca

 

I am in total agreement with you on the Roman versus Diego issue and Im on Diego's side too, but my point is with the type of team Diego is trying to build and the type of teams Diego always liked to play in one MUST have seen the writing on the wall with this issue. Diego is a guy who has no problems with ego as long as you can and do deliver the goods, look at his days with the national team and with Menotti, Bilardo, Diego was one of opinions, ego's and it got very heated many times, but he was always fully dedicated to the shirt and he knows his sh*t. Man I think back to the days with Diego and Pasarella, the fight with Bilardo, the calling out of Menotti in 1978. Thing is that Roman is a pecho frio to the max despite his obvious talent he just does not have the balls to man up and Diego really could care less for a guy of this character. Hence sorry for what you may think but I saw this coming.

 

Why should Diego come to his senses, I don't see what he did wrong?? He called someone out and waited his response he got the pecho frio in his own trap and the true colors came out. Unfortunately those colors were not blue and white.

 

Can't wait to see Messi generate a shitload more of $$ for the Russian mobsters.

All cynicism aside, I'm very bitter and angry about Roman's deciscion even it was obviously provoked. He went out like a punk when he shouldn't have.

Anyway, what's done is done. Time to move forward.

 

Is it??? Look I defended Roman big time after the last Copa America, but I do lean toward the side of there being an over reliance on him when he is on the pitch, we need a team unit and obviously with Roman on board there were doubts and now with this latest outburst I have much more doubts.

 

this was the first iive ssen on messi talking about the whole situation with riquelme and am intrested although so very short how you think he did on his answer

ii think it is the first video on the home page

http://www.tycsports.com/global/index.html

 

Obviosly JRR is unpopular with his argentine teammates and he is starting to disrupt the dressing room! This is a ridiculous distractions that can cause a team to lose focus and this time we can't afford to lose any focus.

And some of the arguments here that some youngsters influences Maradona kinda remind with the Veron vs. Sorin incident when Veron also believed Sorin influenced Pekerman and had a big say on who is selected for the National squad. Next they exchanged fight (Villarreal vs, Inter game) No need for this! Maradona is exercising his right: dressing room management.

 

i agree with you on this but one point is that is the way i believe and corrrect me if im wrong that coco based his system on...not truly jrr fault but the fact that the coached could not go through anybody but riquelme and his thought or lack there of a secind or plan b was nonexistent..that is my htough on the over reliance on riquelme...but to be honest nobody else has took the reins but you could go in circle on that to becasue a pissing match would proobably start up between jrr and lets say messi of aguero if they were to take a more central role....we can only wait and see

 

ay you should be used to it by now

and yourself and vipnerd are reallly good at defending him so you should welcome the critics

 

If Roman returns to form and reignites his fire and drive then he owes it all to MARADONA. Roman has always had that special "i want to show you that I'm better than you attitude" and Maradona lit a fire under his ass like no one else in the game.

Funny thing is that JRR doesn't even realize that this has been done to him. If he did, then he wouldn't be trying as hard as he is.

 

As you said we really have seen an over reliance on him, but is it truly his fault? Excluding our defenders, what other player has really stepped up consistently within the attack to provide a buffer? Nobody, yet only one player takes the blame.
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I see your point , but this eally begs the question does it not? The system created this monster of an over reliance on Roman or an enganche. Fact is shut it down and you shut us down, I think it high time to move on and try to discover a team unit that can play without this so called central buffer. It may not be the pretties thing we ever saw but we need to get the wins. I love "our" style of futbol, of calm long posesion, but Im afraid this style is going the way of the cuckoo bird and quick frantic short bursts and exchanges are favored along with quick technical forwards and wingbacks that can overlap, ala Brazil. What good is 60% possesion if we can't get our bloody attacking third to do any real penetration?? We need good holders and destroyers we have them in Mascher and Gago, Gago just needs to calm down a bit for the shirt and play more within himself like at Real. Mascher needs to be played even a bit further back. Problem is our wing play, Heinze is just not up to it and Zanetti is not even close to what he used to be, but with Papa I see promise and Jonas as well, so the left side is good if we are to use Messi on the right as a wing midfeilder I see good posibilities therein as well and in come Zabaleta and we are in business. I think maybe the time for no enganche is needed, certainly to use Veron is a joke.
Now lets say we work on this over the next 8 or so months and then roman decides he wants to play in 2010, would you take him back if we could make this work?

 

Masch, Gago, and Cambiasso could work especially since the team has no quality attacking mid at the moment and masch and gago have looked impressive when going forward so they can be instructed to play more attacking than normal, and the three would be able to balance it out well. Also, Messi aguero and a striker wouldnt come back much so i could see it working out as not being too defensive. As for the striker, Crespo is the only one that would do a consistent job but like you said he hasnt played much and his best years are past him.

 

No, you're wrong. Argentina will not play with Mascher, Gago and Cambiasso together. The midfield will probably be:

----Mascherano-Gago----
Rodriguez-------Gutierrez

Cambiasso seems to be out of favor, so Lucho Gonzalez could be an alternative. Also Diego is leaning towards Rolfi Montenegro as one of the offensive mids.

The two forwards would be Messi and perhaps Milito, although I really would like to see a three forward line with either Tevez or Lavezzi in it.

 

Is this really what the team has come to? Lucho Gonzalez who hasn't played a good match for Argentina since 2004?

But I agree that a midfield of Cambiasso, Gago, and Mascherano wouldn't work. It's too slow.

 

Gago and Mascherano have shown their attacking attributes when pushing up the field and I tihnk both are capable in HELPING the attack (they would not play attacking mid the whole match just taking turns pushing up the field and supporting the attack). It could be a similar approach as Xavi and Iniesta for Barca when they pair them up in the middle. It is not ideal but there is no one else I can see stepping up and filling that role at the moment. and to drknow, if you think that midfield is slow then you must not have watched much of riquelme with the nt.

 

A considerable amount, and though Riquelme has single-handedly won games for the nt in the past, his overall prescence especially now is a hinderance to not only gameplay but team morale as well. If you really want to know why I am not a fan of Riquelme's it is more his style of play than speed of play. As I explained to you before he holds on to the ball too long and misses getting it to his teammates many times, as I have seen it many times with Messi and before. A good example is minute 1:48 in the video below, which is the kind of play that happens often. Riquelme had a player open to his left in a better position that needed the quick pass, instead riquelme holds on to the ball and the whole defense sets up (and this usually ends up in a backpass or they foul riquelme). Either way it ruins the play especially when you have players like messi, aguero that can really capatalize and take advantage of open space.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJjP1qOGhZI"]YouTube - top ten roman riquelme skills[/ame]

 

It was always the style of play that was the main issue, go back to old posts to see. And what dont you understand about that that play is a general theme that happens often when he's on the ball and not a random youtube snippet. And if you knew the slightest bit about football gameplay you would realize he was not turned around when the player was open look at minute 1:38 .